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was Relena as awful as I remember or was that a bit of weird early fandom days misogyny?

I'm leaning toward situational misogyny -- her major sin was being a femme character who 'got in the way' of the brooding hero. This aired during peek 'not like other girls' toxicity and I remember vividly how most fandom spaces had shippers leaning toward m/m pairings.

Because I definitely remember finding her annoying when I was watching when it aired on Cartoon Network in the 90s but I've seen clips of it recently and I don't have that well of dislike pooling up anymore (and granted it could be with age comes wisdom but I think its not just that).

I watched it on CN in the 90s as well! I'm leaning towards it being a 50/50 situation, but I'm tempted to rewatch and see where I stand on it these days.

She could be a character archetype that you don’t like, which happens, but as someone who wasn’t anywhere near the fandom because I hand’t found them yet I liked her just fine. I found about the hate years later and was baffled, so while I do think an individual tastes thing could be part of it I also think 90’s fan of misogyny played a big part as well.

I remember finding the fandom after watching the show and the absolutely glee I felt when I found other people found her as annoying as I did. I think it's honestly probably a combo of a character I just didn't care for paired with fandom general misogyny (and probably peppered with a bit of my own internalized misogyny at the time). I'm tempted to rewatch the show and see how future me interprets all the characters but I worry I'll ruin whatever fond memories I do have of it.

About 50/50? Now that I'm not a teenager, she's got a lot of interesting character points to her and I enjoy her a lot more but, when I was a teenager, I think I lot of it was that I just didn't have the life experience to really grasp her character. She does absolutely crazy things for peace and I was busy rooting for more robot fights piloted by cute boys who had tons of drama. She didn't gel with me then. I like her a lot more now that I look at her and better understand her and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people would find the same if they rewatched the series. It's a bit like Shinji from Eva. When I was a teen he was irritating af and I hated him. Grown up me sees all the ways the adults around him fail and get angry on his behalf, instead of being angry at him.

In Relena's case, though, a lot of it was very definitely her being the leading lady in a show where most fans were busy oogling and shipping all the dudes together in various equations. ( 1x2 and 3x4 shipper here lmao)

Honestly, if you were thinking of rewatching the series, I'd say go for it. I found she hits different these days.

I was thinking of rewatching the show! And I have an inkling part of it is exactly what you described, and part of it is I'd probably find her a little annoying even as an adult. But I also worry I'd find them all horribly annoying as an adult. (1x2, 1x2x5, and 3x5 shipper....if I'm remembering that right lol, it's been years)

I mean, to be fair, I haven't rewatched to whole show, but I've watched some clips and she's still pretty annoying. But everyone on the show's a complete psycho and the dub's awful, so it's a bit of a non starter.

You have a solid argument there.

I have been rewatching it lately and I think her main issue is that she starts off annoying and takes a long time to start maturing and becoming interesting. But by Endless Waltz she is great and I thought that even at the time when Toonami was airing GW.

She was obnoxious in the first few episodes but she mellowed out later if I remember correctly. I thought she was fine in Endless Waltz.

That doesn't mean there wasn't some fandom misogyny though. But that was true for multiple female characters who had the gall to stick around for longer than five minutes and have a purpose, instead of rolling over and fading into the background.

General misogyny, plus she got in the way of a popular ship.

It wasn't misogyny. I liked her when the fandom was big because I wanted to show that I wasn't a misogynist like all the other girls who hated her. I rewatched it many years after the fandom was a thing of the past, and I'm embarrassed at my past self for choosing to like her as my pseudo feminist act. She sucks. The whole show sucks, but some things about it are more defendable than others and Relena isn't one of them.

That sounds like a personal problem, honestly. And it doesn't negate the fact that misogyny existed.

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