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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2023-07-07 07:20 pm

[ SECRET POST #6027 ]


⌈ Secret Post #6027 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2023-07-07 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Why would it not work?

(Anonymous) 2023-07-07 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Because of how he arranged specific geographic features in relation to each other. Basically, none of the mountains in Middle Earth could exist because of where the rivers and valleys are. It’s a bit more complex than that but that’s the gist of it. If you ignore real world geology, it’s fine. Except he hardwired real world geology into his world building and lore.

(Anonymous) 2023-07-07 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Me realizing I have no idea how the Earth works. ;_;

(Anonymous) 2023-07-08 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
Huh, I was thinking there might be an issue with Mirkwood, since the Shire etc is on the other side of the mountains of it and all that borders an ocean, which means rain coming in off the ocean would hit the mountains first and Mirkwood would be a rainshadow desert instead of a forest.

If I were to think too hard about it. I generally just roll with it.

(Anonymous) 2023-07-08 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
I think that’s part of why it doesn’t work? I’m not an expert by any stretch xx I know there have been a lot of write ups over the years about it. There was one about fifteen years ago where the author lambasted fandom handwaving about research and general knowledge.

I never put any thought into the feasibility of fantasy worlds. The ocean was on top of the mountain? Cool! The mountains had a river going across them halfway between base and peak? Ok. I’m the last person in the world to care about that stuff even if real world stuff is baked in.

(Anonymous) 2023-07-08 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
But what if this fantasy world has fantasy weather systems and...science...and stuff?

(Anonymous) 2023-07-08 07:05 am (UTC)(link)
Tolkien was British, and because the scale of land is so much smaller than the US you don't get such a prolific rainshadow. Plenty of woods on all sides of our hills.

Not saying it makes it any more feasible in LOTR, but just that ghe land he lived in obviously coloured a lot of the landscapes he created.

(Anonymous) 2023-07-08 07:36 am (UTC)(link)
Oh yeah, like I said, I tend to just roll with it. And I don't recall the finer details of any mentioned (not pictured) geography--there could be a sea on the other edge of the map, or a north sea, etc, that would change the climate. I don't think too hard on fantasy geography and climate and so forth unless the story's mine or it's so egregious that it throws me out of the suspension of disbelief (really hard to do).

But I'm also a nerd and I watch a lot of youtube videos about geology/deep time paleantology/etc and if I were better at math I'd have done something in the geology/meteorology realm of things, which is why I know words like "rainshadow" when it's been almost 20 years since my last geology class. :D

(Anonymous) 2023-07-08 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know. You'd think with the magic beings, the extremely long-lived beings, the freaking tree beings, and the different types of animals, they could have shaped the land and environment to do what they want.
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[personal profile] bookblather 2023-07-08 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
OP, I am delighted to inform you that a dear friend wrote a geology paper on exactly this topic and justified all of it (except the Lonely Mountain but Tolkien can have one handwave as a treat).

(Anonymous) 2023-07-08 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
Idk about OP but I am definitely delighted by this fact.

(Anonymous) 2023-07-08 02:16 am (UTC)(link)
It's been done!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atlas_of_Middle-earth

(Anonymous) 2023-07-08 05:15 am (UTC)(link)
The Atlas of Middle Earth, Karen Wynn Fonstad, c.1991, ISBN 0395535166. Megafan with science background, even has estimated travel charts for the Fellowship.

(Anonymous) 2023-07-08 10:11 am (UTC)(link)
If we posit that Middle Earth in the time of Bilbo and Frodo et al takes place during a retreat from a glacial maximum, and is also during a period of tectonic/magmatic quiescence, both of which have occurred in Real Earth, albeit not within the timeline of recorded human civilisation, then Tolkien's map and geology is very explicable.
https://dc.swosu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2167&context=mythlore