[ SECRET POST #6029 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6029 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

So by my count based on this, there are 3 episodes where Our Heroes use torture? A Voyager episode (Equinox pt 2), an Enterprise episode (Anomaly), and a SNW episode (the season 2 premier).

That doesn't seem like it happens all the time. And it also isn't clear how effective those episodes portray the torture as being.

[(Anonymous)]

Deep Space Nine had at least one. IIRC, Garak had Odo locked in a room with a device that prevented him from returning to his liquid form. It’s framed explicitly as torture so that Odo will admit whatever secret he’s keeping. And it works. (I think it was something to do with how he sometimes wished he could be with his people, despite the fact that they were all awful.)

[(Anonymous)]

SA - there’s also that one in TNG with Picard and the lights, but that’s counter to OP’s issue because the torture in that one doesn’t work. (But came close.)

[(Anonymous)]

IDK if the takeaway from that scene is that torture works?

Odo does eventually tell Garak that he wants to return to the Great Link, but that's not actually the secret that Garak and Tain are looking for. And Garak is basically begging Odo to just tell him something so he can stop torturing Odo, including asking him to just make up a lie. The scene is much more about Odo's and Garak's character arcs than about torture being effective I think.

[(Anonymous)]

Well sure. Villains like Tain and morally questionable characters like Garak use torture on Star Trek frequently. It's the heroes using torture effectively on a regular basis that we're questioning.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

We still have yet to find any evidence that any hero in Star Trek used torture on a regular basis, much less effectively.

[(Anonymous)]

Here are some specifics: 1. In the Voyager episode, Janeway leaves a prisoner tied up in the cargo bay to be eaten by aliens to get him to talk. Chakotay risks his life and rescues the prisoner. The prisoner does provide information to Chakotay, who is later relieved of duty for defying Janeway.
2. In the Enterprise episode, Archer throws a prisoner in the airlock and starts decompressing it, telling him he'll be dead in 40 seconds. Prisoner talks.
3. While escaping an enemy ship where he was being held captive, M'Benga (while on stimulants and possibly having war flashbacks) corners a Klingon and flat out beats the information he needs out of him. I am frankly iffy as to whether a prisoner beating one of their captors during an escape attempt counts as torture, but there you go.

Of the 3 instances, the one that is most clearly and obviously torture is the second one, and it's also the one that was the least effective.

[(Anonymous)]

Given the timing of the various episodes and the secret, I wonder if OP isn't really specifically thinking about the SNW episode? But it still seems like a stretch to say it happens constantly in that case.