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I think what people thought they agreed to, if they made any commitment to "being trans allies" in the first place, was about trying to get other people to treat trans folks better. It was not a promise to virtuously abstain from reading enjoyable stories on account of the author having controversial political views. It was not about burning books or boycotting video games. And when trans activists online tried to make it about those things, a lot of people said "no," and put up with being called transphobes and child-killers and enablers of genocide and whatever else angry would-be influencers could accuse them of.

IMO, trying to threaten them into going along with it was the wrong call. The thing to do is reassess and make better use of constructive disagreement in the future. The alt right is awful, but I think the rest of the world realizes that well intentioned people can make mistakes. Entrenching in something that isn't working is a more costly problem. Just picking the wrong fight, once in a while - who hasn't done that?

This is entirely too reasonable and well-considered an opinion for you to be out here just stating it on the internet like this.

This is a great, well reasoned response.
On FS a few weeks ago, a TERF was literally threatened with death! How is this going to help but make the person more entrenched in their view?

I've been saying this for over ten years. I hope people start realising this is the way forward.

Oh go DIAF, TERf.

Nah. And plenty of people who object to people wishing someone would die for thoroughly frivolous reasons are not TERFs.

Really? Someone got doxxed on f!s so that they could be literally threatened with death? The internet trolls called their house or showed up there with guns and knives and ropes? Christ, I missed that one.

Oh wait, someone said something slightly mean to you on the internet and it upset you so much that you forgot what literally and/or threatened and/or death meant again. Whoopsy-doodle!

You mean there's ways to escalate verbal abuse into physical abuse, and those are even more unacceptable than telling someone to go die? What is the world coming to, when normal people recoil from trans activists wishing on social media that they could rape cis women and murder them with hammers? It's all just words, that's a perfectly justified expression of minority anger. And if you so much as hesitate to condone it, you're a transphobe. /s

Can you really not tell how unhinged your argument sounds? To anyone who doesn't think "well, as long as I wasn't assaulted by the police on fraudulent charges inside my own home, I have nothing to complain of." Because I doubt most people are willing to accept that violence against them is deserved, worth making light of, even, while violence against anyone trans is a horrendous outrage.

Yeah, I was around for that thread. Some of the long conversations went in interesting directions, but the ones where someone was just throwing insults at anyone who dared to comment used pretty nasty invective.

This is an excellent post, and one that I think applies to social justice in general.

But then how would people get to revel in their misogyny? Because at this point, it's 99% of what I'm seeing.

I'm trying to understand your comment, but not managing. Help me out? What are you seeing that's 99% misogyny?

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