[ SECRET POST #6049 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6049 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I love both their characters, personally, and for pretty similar reasons.

I do love Cassian more, that much is true--mainly because as good as I think the writing on Rogue One is, IMO the writing on Andor is an order of magnitude better. Also, R1 is what, two hours? Whereas Andor is...*googles*...eight hours. There's four times as much time to establish the character and build his character arc--and eight times as much time if you count the future S2. But Jyn is also a really good character, IMO. And while Felicity Jones' flattened affect in the role is a bit of an acquired taste, I ultimately thought it worked well for the character.

Also, while Cassian may not get the hate Jyn apparently got (I wasn't in R1 fandom), there has been a fair bit of talk among Andor fans about Andor being one of the weaker characters in the series. I don't personally agree with this perspective, but I can see why some people feel this way about his character. Now obviously, people seeing him as one of the weaker characters (in a show full of strong characters) isn't the same as people shitting on his character relentlessly, but well, that's sexism for you. *shrug*

(I don't really see how Jyn is gender non-conforming, but I didn't want to make that the focus of my comment.)

[philstar22]

For a large portion of the Star Wars fandom, if a movie, show, or character isn't the absolute best (meaning the one they like the most), then it is a terrible thing that must be hated. They feel that way about movies (anything post-ESB is hated for not being ESB), they are that way about shows (before Obi-Wan was decent, then once Andor came out suddenly only Andor was good and Obi-Wan was the worst thing ever), and they are that way about characters (particularly female characters).

they are fickle, impossible to please, and want everything to be the way they want it (meaning exactly identical to ANH and ESB) and if it isn't then the creators are evil people who have betrayed them and who owe them.

The fandom is so exhausting.

[(Anonymous)]

Why are you so mean to people who are struggling?

[philstar22]

What? I honestly don't even get your comment? Who is struggling that I'm being mean to? I'm just confused.

[(Anonymous)]

The OP is struggling and you were mean to them! I said it earlier. I don't understand. I don't understand why any of this is.

Why is everyone okay with all of this? Why is everyone okay with women being treated poorly? Every day, we see the evidence of the mistreatment, and people side with those who are mistreating them, again, and again, and again. What is the point of existing in such a world? I read once about a circumpolar Indigenous group in which the women were subjected to such inhuman treatment that suicide was the leading cause of death for them. The suicide rate among teenage girls has skyrocketed in the past decade, but we do not care. We do not care! Why would we? They're just girls. Dime a dozen.

Why are you sadder for OP than for the world? OP feels like a freak due to how people treated them. And you blame them for it. Why?

[(Anonymous)]

And yet I'm being called a troll upthread for suspecting there are radfems in this discussion...

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think being upset about the mistreatment of women and girls makes someone a radfem. It just makes them a garden variety feminist.

[(Anonymous)]

They aren't blaming anyone, except certain loud, obnoxious Star Wars fans. If you haven't encountered these people, you have been very, very lucky. They definitely weren't blaming OP.

[(Anonymous)]

+infinity

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like the flat affect was what the character needed. It bothers me that people think it's "bad acting;" it's not! This is a woman who's deeply traumatized and incredibly distrustful. Jones played her exactly as you'd expect someone like that to behave.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT - I definitely agree with you. With that said, I do think that it's valid to say, "Understanding why a story did a particular thing, and that it was a narratively coherent choice, still doesn't make me enjoy that particular thing the story did." If someone were to make that argument about Jyn's flat affect, I would think that was valid. I would understand where they were coming from, even though personally it was a choice that worked for me.

I disagree with some people's argument that it was just bad acting, though, for sure. I thought she was good in the role and her acting choices made sense for the character.