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[ SECRET POST #6049 ]

⌈ Secret Post #6049 ⌋

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None of the characters listed are GNC, according to the rubric in the secret.

Well, the point of the thread seems to be developing a conversation that started from a lot of anons disagreeing with the premise that the character in Rogue One was gender-nonconforming. The secret OP just claims she is without explaining how they're judging that. "She's like me" is not exactly an enlightening descriptor to a space full of people who don't know who that anon is, or what that's supposed to mean.

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All of those anons would disagree with the characters in this thread being GNC, is what I'm saying.

How so?

AYRT

Well, above, people said that being physically strong, wearing clothing that isn't feminine, taking actions that usually aren't coded "feminine," etc are not GNC. All of the characters listed in this thread have one or more of those traits.

If the character actively chooses to present themself in a way that doesn't adhere to gender norms within the context of their specific society and position within that society, then it makes sense to say that the character is GNC to one degree or another.

Wearing clothing that is not explicitly, stereotypically feminine in no way implies that a character is choosing not to conform to femininity--unless, perhaps, they live in a society in which conventionally feminine dress is strongly socially pushed as the only appropriate way for a female person to dress. Like yeah, if your 1890's lady detective wears pants, then that's GNC of her.

Similarly, a female character being physically strong is not implicitly GNC. It really depends on a number of other factors, such as the standards and mores of her society, the expectations of her career and whether the narrative frames it as GNC to pursue said career in the first place, the character's own personal motivations for building up her strength, and her personal mindset about what it means to be strong and female.

A character taking actions that aren't stereotypically feminine is also not implicitly GNC. It's stereotype non-conforming, but whether or not it's GNC depends, again, on the same factors mentioned previously. Katniss Everdeen goes out hunting in the woods with a bow and arrow and is the primary provider for her family, but that doesn't make her GNC--it just makes her stereotype nonconforming. She's merely doing what she needs to do within the context of her life and her society; gender has nothing to do with it. Awareness of gender norms is a negligible factor in shaping her actions, and she also doesn't live in a society that identifies her as distinctly GNC because of her actions.

Maybe context is more of a factor than you're taking into account? Wearing a jumpsuit in Star Wars doesn't really make you anything other than "human-bodied and mobile." And about eight-tenths of what Jyn does and what other people do in relation to her, in Rogue One, is based on what her father did. Most of what we get "about this character" is actually about how key her superstar imperial engineer dad was.

Because none of those things are GNC in and of themselves. Being GNC involves a conscious, deliberate decision to subvert societal gender norms.

For example, a woman who is physically strong because she helps out around her family's farm wouldn't be GNC because she's not consciously trying to subvert gender norms by doing so, she's just helping out where she's needed. Likewise, a woman who wears non-feminine clothing because it's the most practical for what she does also isn't being GNC if the primary reason that she's wearing it is solely due to it being practical unless her choice of job is purposefully something that isn't seen as being feminine.

I don't think that's quite it. Your example of the woman who is strong because she helps around on a farm is a true example of not being GNC, because she's doing something necessary and is not consciously deciding to become strong as a result, it's just a side-effect. If, however, she (for example) goes on to use the strength she gained as a side-effect to compete in a male-dominated sport in which strength is an asset, then that would be GNC. Even if she's doing it because she loves the sport and not because she's trying to subvert gender norms. Simply being a woman who enjoys a "for men" activity is GNC, and so is not letting backlash stop her from doing it, even if the main reason is because she wants to keep doing what she loves, not because she's trying to prove to them that they're wrong.

Claiming to know other people's opinions on complicated topics because you're butthurt about something is a loser move, anon.

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