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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2023-08-01 06:53 pm
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[ SECRET POST #6052 ]


⌈ Secret Post #6052 ⌋

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Hey OP...

(Anonymous) 2023-08-01 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Can you elaborate on the incompetent psychopath thing? Sounds fascinating.

Re: Hey OP...

(Anonymous) 2023-08-02 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
Not OP. Richard II started out as a child king with a regent council and was by all accounts pretty average (though plagued with revolts) until he hit his 30s, at which stage he decided to get rid of his rivals for power then punish those loyal to them with massive fines. None of this was legal but he decided that as king he was more important than laws or customs of England. Eventually this pissed off enough of the nobility that many of them united behind his rival Henry Bolingbroke (who became Henry IV) and deposed the king. The terms meant that Richard was not executed but there was almost immediately a plot to take back the throne so he was probably starved to death but there were rumours that he had survived so Henry V had his body disinterred and reburied with his wife. Richard was known for sitting in his court stock still for hours staring at walls and having massive fits of rage, though it's not clear whether he was a psychopath or just deeply entitled.

Re: Hey OP...

(Anonymous) 2023-08-02 01:25 am (UTC)(link)
Well dang, that's something I didn't know. Thanks!

Re: Hey OP...

(Anonymous) 2023-08-02 05:00 am (UTC)(link)
Is there a difference between being a psychopath or having such massive entitlement you don't see other people as actually being people? Richard II was what happens when you let Joffrey live to adulthood and don't have a Tyrion or Tywin holding their leash.

(Anonymous) 2023-08-01 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree that John probably wasn't the worst king but Edward doesn't count in this context

(Anonymous) 2023-08-02 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
+1, he did the Nazi traitor stuff after abdicating. Certainly up there for "terrible royal", though!

(Anonymous) 2023-08-02 05:01 am (UTC)(link)
Part of the reason for the abdication was he was passing English state secrets to the German Ambassador. The explicit Nazi thing came afterwards, but he was still Nazi adjacent even for the short time when he was on the throne.

(Anonymous) 2023-08-02 05:07 pm (UTC)(link)
That was not the reason for the abdication - it may or may not have been true, I don't actually know, but it certainly wasn't the reason for the abdication. The reason for the abdication was that having a king who had remarried a divorcee, and specifically Wallis Simpson, was unacceptable to the upper and middle classes in Britain and the Commonwealth.

(Anonymous) 2023-08-02 09:48 pm (UTC)(link)
DA

More than that, it was unacceptable to the Church of England, of which the monarch is the titular head.

(Anonymous) 2023-08-02 01:37 am (UTC)(link)
I think John's reputation is just never gonna live down losing the crown jewels. Like literally losing them. In water. They weren't even taken in battle!

(Anonymous) 2023-08-03 05:07 am (UTC)(link)
That sounds hilarious. Like "attempting to cross river on horseback while wearing crown," or ...?

(Anonymous) 2023-08-06 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
Sort of. He went across a kind of ford at low tide, but the baggage train didn't make it across until high tide, and the crown jewels were washed away, never to be seen again.

(Anonymous) 2023-08-02 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
A pox on the phony king of England!

(Anonymous) 2023-08-02 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
Welll... Edward VII probably doesn't "count" for a lot of people because he abdicated before he spent much time as king, and didn't have the same powers as medieval kings did in the first place. And the Nazi stuff was kept on the down low for many, many years, so people mostly romanticized the abdication as him choosing love over the throne. (And honestly, I still see some people doing this, which is a little WTF.)

(Anonymous) 2023-08-02 02:41 am (UTC)(link)
Didn't John invite the French in, or sthng? Heinous crime, if so!

(Anonymous) 2023-08-02 05:02 am (UTC)(link)
He was French, all the "English" royalty were at that point, he was probably less French than his brother the Lionheart. At least John spent more than six months of his entire life actually in England.

(Anonymous) 2023-08-02 09:03 am (UTC)(link)
Meanwhile, Richard I (who hated being in England and couldn't speak English) is lauded as one of best monarchs ever to sit on the throne.

Also, Richard III is widely regarded as this evil, little hunchback, yet he spent a good chunk of his time and money on building schools and hospitals and other things to help the people. Granted, he did have the misfortune of having Shakespeare writing propaganda plays about how awesome the Tudors were for having killed of Richard...

(Anonymous) 2023-08-02 02:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Can we give props to Eleanor of Aquitane for Richard I's successful rule? Because that was all her.

(Anonymous) 2023-08-02 03:16 am (UTC)(link)
Well, he did literally have the nickname 'Bad King John'. But, also, Robin Hood and Shakespeare probably have had something to do with the perceptions people have of him.
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[personal profile] meadowphoenix 2023-08-02 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
because John made his barons so mad they shifted the entire power structure and put it writing? That's pretty bad. For that reason, I'll give you Charles I as equally bad too.

Richard II would probably be remembered more badly if he hadn't had a mostly good reign, and his family hadn't descended into civil war within two generations with a much more mentally questionable king.

I said this before, but James II wasn't bad as such, he was just catholic. they probably wouldn't have even ousted him if his wife hadn't had a child, and a son at that (James' sisters spread rumors that the pregnancy and birth was faked in order to de-legitimize the child)

About John...

(Anonymous) 2023-08-02 03:33 am (UTC)(link)
He also had the reputation of being a lustful womanizer even by the standards of his time, because he went after married noblewomen. He's also thought to have had his own nephew Arthur of Brittany murdered because Arthur's claim to the throne was considered by some to be better than John's own. And that's just the personal stuff, the political situation was even more complicated.

Re: About John...

(Anonymous) 2023-08-02 05:04 am (UTC)(link)
His brother had a reputation of being a notorious buggerer, though. And this was back in the day where being gay was worse than anything, yet he gets called The Lionheart.

Re: About John...

(Anonymous) 2023-08-03 05:10 am (UTC)(link)
da

But I'm finding all this historical dirt on the English royalty fascinating.

(Anonymous) 2023-08-02 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
They probably would have forgiven the taxes and the hostage taking, but having the Magna Carta annulled and then losing the Crown Jewels is the kind of thing that gets you turned into a folk villain.
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