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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2023-08-03 05:29 pm

[ SECRET POST #6054 ]


⌈ Secret Post #6054 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2023-08-04 12:41 am (UTC)(link)
In that very image of her side by side with the original cartoon version, you can see their skin is pretty much the same shade.

Saying she should be Asian because (implied) Asians are the only POC with the right skin color to be Snow White is pretty racist itself, including racist against Asians.

(Anonymous) 2023-08-04 01:26 am (UTC)(link)
She looks a lot darker in most promo material, very much intentionally so. And her hair is much lighter for the movie stills that have been released so far as well, which is definitely something that would have helped the contrast but nah. And no, it's not racist (colorist at best but not even that), and a lighter skinned Asian person (they di very much exist, stop pretending they don't) is just one of the options, mainly because Asian actors are ridiculously underrepresented in movies in general and Disney movies in particular.

(Anonymous) 2023-08-04 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
Colorism is racist idk why you’re trying to act like it’s not, and even the palest Asian is not white in the way you seem to be insisting. We have yellow undertones not pink, so we do look darker than most white people but especially so next to really pale white people.

Also most of the ‘pale’ Asian actors you’ll be thinking of are actors whitewashed to fuck with filters in a TV show or adverts, or female actors wearing foundation shades 3 shades lighter than they actually are.

There’s an anon on here who is obsessed with this ‘pale beauty’ Asian person aesthetic and they keep trying to pass off their fetish as progressive when it’s not.

(Anonymous) 2023-08-04 06:16 am (UTC)(link)
Colorism isn't nnecessarily racist though. A lot of that is a class/beauty standard issue, not a race issue. Nobody is paper white and white Europeans can have yellow undertones too. And I personally know a lot of pale Asian people from studies abroad and guess what, none of them were living under a filter or were using heavy makeup. You sound weird as fuck (and also kinda colorist yourself) trying to insist nobody in Asian countries is ever pale when that's not the case. And before you go "yes well they try to stay pale!" -Yeah, no shit Sherlock, how do you think very pale white people keep that skin colour? By using products/not going into the sun for extended periods of time. Do you seriously think white people are just paper white and don't ever tan?

(Anonymous) 2023-08-12 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
I am paper white and don't ever tan. I don't even freckle. I can't scrape up enough brown. It's odd that you think I don't exist & also that you speak for all white people everywhere.

(Anonymous) 2023-08-04 03:49 am (UTC)(link)
All of this.

I remember about twenty years ago, the only ones getting defensive and pissy about there being white people outside of countries that were either in Europe or heavily colonized by Europe were white supremacists. It's beyond weird to me to watch leftists try to erase the existence of white skin outside of the tidy little area where they go around decrying the historical crimes and moral failings of "whiteness."

(Anonymous) 2023-08-04 06:18 am (UTC)(link)
This anon kept doing this on the comment secret as well- insisting there are no paler Asian people and everyone saying otherwise is just some racist white girl falling for the whitewashed filters in drama series.

(Anonymous) 2023-08-04 09:49 am (UTC)(link)
Nobody is saying pale Asians don't exist, but the fact is that people who haven't spent time in East Asia and only know about it from their media have an incredibly skewed view of how pale Asians are on average.

(Anonymous) 2023-08-04 09:57 am (UTC)(link)
This is not and has never been about the average skin colour of the average Asian population though. Why is that so hard to understand? It's about casting ONE person where the skin colour would be on the paler side, which is not exactly average but also far from nonextitent.

(Anonymous) 2023-08-04 07:36 am (UTC)(link)
Not OP

Yeah, as a light skin South East Asian woman (but I tan easily so I am considered "dark" by a lot of Asian people) the colorism in Asian communities is...rough. We barely talk about it because IMHO it calls into question Asian cultures' participation and what we've gained in colonialism/the history of white supremacy. And that's a lot to unpack.
Even I am not certain how to talk about it with intent to educate and progress, not guilt, shame and deflect/deny accountability or change.

But it does feel like there is a real issue in shorthanding "light skinned POC" as exclusive/"more normal" with Asians.
It's still placing race/color on a hierarchy.

(Anonymous) 2023-08-04 07:51 am (UTC)(link)
The thing is- nobody said that Asian people are the only potentially pale POC. The thing is: Asian people are vastly underrepresented in Hollywood movies and casting an Asian woman for the role would have been something new at least. And casting a pale Asian woman would have fit the description as well.

(Anonymous) 2023-08-04 08:18 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT
As an Asian American woman who loved all the Disney princesses growing up (and Cinderella remains my favorite princess), I feel like had the casting gone to an Asian actor, I would still come out of it feeling icky, but in slightly different ways.
I understand the argument that Asians are underrepresented in Hollywood, but I know that's also very true for Hispanic/Latino representation. And IMO if I were to be upset and make a declaration about it because I feel Asian representation would have been more ideal, it plays into tribalism and can encourage those who want to denigrate on POC to happily do so but disguise it as "I'm just saying, Asian representation matters too!"
Like, IMHO if you are to tell me to pick: "I wanted Asian representation" or "Congratulations on Hispanic representation"
I will always pick the latter.