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Hollywood's reluctance to admit anything (really) flops?

[(Anonymous)]

I was browsing a reddit thread of people telling war stories from expired non-disclosure agreements, and found a reply that seems relevant to activisty attempts to influence media via not buying tickets for problematic movies.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ouuxfz/comment/h76vfzi/

Quoting: while many theaters across the US reported no sales of tickets for Gigli (after the opening weekend), not a single one of them reported that it was because no one wanted to see this turkey. The theater was closed. There was roadwork closing off traffic to the theater. The theater caught on fire. There was « insert dumb reason » why the theater had sold no tickets.

Of course, the "reasons" the theater had zero revenue for a movie were limited by a list in a table in the database and when I checked that table, "no tickets sold" was not an option. Holy shit! I uncovered a major bug, so I reported it.

It wasn't a bug. It was a feature. Hollywood studios absolutely did not want "nobody wants tickets to this shit" listed as a reason for no sales.

I can't cross-check what he's saying from here, but the guy explained his allegations in some depth. And, if true, they're interesting.

Re: Hollywood's reluctance to admit anything (really) flops?

[(Anonymous)]

You have to go deeper in market analysis. No tickets sold is not a valid option, because it is self evident in the top line return. You have to deeper into the reasons why no tickets are sold to get valid data. The reason could be the movie just sucked, or there could be more to it too. That is why you need a breakdown.

Re: Hollywood's reluctance to admit anything (really) flops?

[(Anonymous)]

I get why they've got explanatory entries like "no one could reach this particular theater," but I think what he's saying is that they've omitted any way of expressing the possibility that the public rejected a movie.

Re: Hollywood's reluctance to admit anything (really) flops?

[(Anonymous)]

That maybe helps executives save face, but the studio themselves presumably aren't under any illusions about what is actually happening?

Re: Hollywood's reluctance to admit anything (really) flops?

[(Anonymous)]

SA like, after Gigli flopped, Sony didn't say "darn it, we had a great movie on our hands but for some reason all the theaters kept getting closed because of random accidents"

Re: Hollywood's reluctance to admit anything (really) flops?

[(Anonymous)]

Just the opposite in fact. They have a pile of things they've ruled out as excuses, leaving the explanation that the reason was that it didn't connect with the public. Whether it is good or bad is pretty immaterial, we all know bad movies that made bank andasterpieces that sank.

Re: Hollywood's reluctance to admit anything (really) flops?

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

No, you're right. I'm sure they didn't.

Re: Hollywood's reluctance to admit anything (really) flops?

[(Anonymous)]

Because didn't sell tickets is immediately obvious from it not having brought in any fucking money. So then you ask why and start by documenting the various reasons preventing a theater from having sold any. Then, bit by bit, you grind them all out until you have a pile of excuses as to why.

Re: Hollywood's reluctance to admit anything (really) flops?

[(Anonymous)]

The lack of money due to ticket sales already tells them that. They are looking for the reason they rejected it at this stage.

Re: Hollywood's reluctance to admit anything (really) flops?

[(Anonymous)]

I mean,,,

I don't think this really means that much. Studios are still going to have someone in the company whose job it is to look at the data and figure out why nobody went to the movie. Even if it's not tracked by the theater, or publicly reported, that's a huge part of the studios' job.

Also all of this is stuff that happened in 2003, I'm sure that studios have much more robust data and analytics now.

Re: Hollywood's reluctance to admit anything (really) flops?

[(Anonymous)]

They tracked a load of sales and learned not to release movies during construction season. Or the week before major holidays. Tracking this shit is how you learn these things.