[ SECRET POST #6056 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6056 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 48 secrets from Secret Submission Post #866.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

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Name the fandom. And repeats, etc.

(If you think something in this thread is a troll, please ignore it! Conversation is fine, but OT wank makes stuff harder to keep track of in this thread. Thanks.)

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01. https://i.imgur.com/yY9WYoB.png

[(Anonymous)]

is there a BLeeM thirst support group because I feel like one would be useful

OP

[(Anonymous)]

thank you secret-maker! for the secret and for that picture where they're all smouldering. yeah i know it's the main promo pic but still. look at them!

[(Anonymous)]

Lol no disrespect in any way to Brennan but it is kind of funny how everyone else in the image is incredibly cool and badass and intense and then in the middle it's.... Brennan

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02. https://i.imgur.com/3QYx7bj.png

[(Anonymous)]

I think in uni I was told she was dismissive about fantasy and sci-fi in university, declining the category of science fiction for The Handmaid's Tale, despite it obviously being so. She was rude in an interview? But I don't have any sources and that was a long time ago

[(Anonymous)]

IIRC she stressed that her works are "speculative fiction", not "science fiction" or somesuch and it came off as really dismissive of the genre.

[(Anonymous)]

She did an interview in New Scientist in 2008 about how she categorized science fiction. And she wrote something about it in an essay collection about how she sees her books (speculative fiction, rather than science fiction). Then Ursula K. Le Guin had an article in The Guardian in 2009 reviewing a couple of Atwood's books, where she called Atwood's categorization an "arbitrarily restrictive definition designed to protect her novels from being relegated to a genre still shunned by hidebound readers, reviewers and prize-awarders. She doesn't want the literary bigots to shove her in the literary ghetto."

I got this from the Introduction in Atwood's In Other Worlds: SF and the Human Imagination (https://books.google.com/books?id=8hOBecTcjtcC&pg=PA7#v=onepage&q&f=false)

[(Anonymous)]

I'll be so relieved if the worst that can be said about her is that she's dismissive about genre fiction.

[(Anonymous)]

I found my original comment in the secret thread, so I'll paste it here:

"There was one popular post on tumblr that said she was racist because her dystopia excluded POC by a brief mention that they were killed or shipped off to camps, and it was triggering for the OP to have to read the book in English class so they should stop teaching it in English class, and OP was a mindreader who knew Atwood wrote it that way because she hated POC (not, you know, because she wanted to show how dystopic her dystopia was toward groups that are already marginalized in the real world).

I do think there is a conversation to be had around using marginalized groups as essentially cannon fodder to prove a point, and the side-effect that it results in, which is that they don't get to have stories of their own in the world the author created. On the other hand, Atwood had no obligation to go into detail and the specific struggles WOC would have faced if they had been permitted to live in that world. (And if she had, she surely would have been torn into for "getting it wrong" somehow.) It's a story from the perspective of one woman, who is white, and that's valid."

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Here's my best bet. This isn't researched, but I'm a long-time fan of MA who also finds her stance of SF to be curiously under-examined:
More than once Magaret Atwood distanced herself from scifi as a genre, specifically because she doesn't think it's a genre that can comment on the thing she's interested in. She's right about the Handmaids Tale, it's not really SF but because dystopian fiction is "unreal" it was often shelved with SF. The Handmaid's Tale was published in 1985, so she's spent literally decades being asked about this.
Cut to the early 2000s where she publishes Oryx & Crake, her first book since winning the Booker prise (after many noms), which has a (mildly?) post-apocalyptic setting with flashbacks to modern times. Is it SF? Maybe! We can split genre-hairs - it's set five minutes in the future, the technology in the book largely existed at the time. Magaret Atwood describes it as "speculative fiction", and you can argue endlessly about the difference between the two. Advanced-level debaters may wish to throw in "slipstream" as another is/is-not SF.
The book is widely and well-reviewed in the general press. however! many sf-adjacent bloggers take umbrage at 1. the praise being bestowed on her from literary reviewers for what was for SF reasonably common ideas 2. the fact that if a SF/genre writer had written the same book it would not be having the same coverage 3. Magaret Atwood's open contempt for the sf genre. Blogs are written, complaints are laid - some valid, some less so.
This is repeated for the following two books in the trilogy, coming out in 2009 and 2013. She is seen as a kind of fuddy-duddy figure online, someone who thinks SF means spaceships and is for children and unserious readers. She's also The Establishment, so if you want to spit out some zingers about pop-feminism or so-called "highbrow" literature or, idk, Canadians, she's an easy dunk.

She also, god bless her, simply will not shut up, and doesn't seem super interested in being likeable. So she probably popped off about /something/ that frothed up the fandom corners of the internet, thus inspiring your blog posts.

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[(Anonymous)]

What is the fridge logic test?

[(Anonymous)]

As a person who liked this show well enough and enjoys occasional fanart but have no interest in fandom. I had to block two tags - blackbonnet and this character name. Fandom is absolutely weird about him. I've seen countless meta, post etc. No one in fandom is normal about him. And trans fanons are always fall on favorite fandom character somehow. I am not even surprised at this point.

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sorry for repost afhdjein

[(Anonymous)]

As a person who liked this show well enough and enjoys occasional fanart but have no interest in fandom. I had to block two tags - blackbonnet and this character name. Fandom is absolutely weird about him. I've seen countless meta, post etc. No one in fandom is normal about him. And trans fanons are always fall on favorite fandom character somehow. I am not even surprised at this point.

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[(Anonymous)]

Frankly, I checked out of SW after TFA (nothing pissed me off, it was just lack of interest), and I haven't really been invested in years. But I'm not so sure you can blame this on the fans. Sounds like all they did was express their opinions. Maybe if the writers had a better storyline they could believe in, they wouldn't have changed it to appease a disappointed fandom. (Or, idk, someone higher up who only cares about $$$?)

Besides, even if they went with their original storyline, there's no guarantee the outcome would have been better.

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Wow, that's a pairing i have never seen, and an argument for the 'ship i've never heard.
Blech.
That guy was utterly uninteresting and gross, and nope, would not ship ever.

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[(Anonymous)]

uh.

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[(Anonymous)]

Like, hobbit babies come from the cabbage patch? That's a new way to avoid writing female characters!

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NS, NF, etc.

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Good Omens (Spoilers for S2!)

[(Anonymous)]

I'm curious...

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Games thread!