[ SECRET POST #6056 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6056 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

What is the fridge logic test?

[(Anonymous)]

Fridge Logic is when something about the story (plot, worldbuilding, etc) doesn't make logical sense if you stop and think about it. It's basically another way of saying "does this story have any plotholes?"

The problem is that fans will find a way to say anything that they dislike makes no sense, ie. is an example of Fridge Logic. They also frequently ignore genre conventions to do it in a way that shows less competence in worldbuilding and storytelling than whatever the author wrote. A common example is soft sci-fi being called out because something about fictional technology used in it is incompatible with real science. But the thing is, the writers know that. It's not supposed to be realistically scientific. It's Space Wizardry under another name, this is not meant to be a secret and no reader is clever for "discovering" this "Fridge Logic."

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, thank you for explaining. I thought for a minute it was another way of talking about fridging characters but that didn't make sense in context. xD

[(Anonymous)]

I believe the "fridge" part comes from when you are watching something on tv you accept the nonsense and enjoy it, but when you step away to get a snack, as you stand in front of the fridge you think about what you just watched and suddenly realize it made no sense.

[(Anonymous)]

As a person who liked this show well enough and enjoys occasional fanart but have no interest in fandom. I had to block two tags - blackbonnet and this character name. Fandom is absolutely weird about him. I've seen countless meta, post etc. No one in fandom is normal about him. And trans fanons are always fall on favorite fandom character somehow. I am not even surprised at this point.

SA. Oops sorry misfire

[(Anonymous)]

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[(Anonymous)]

Can't make a confident guess about why this is the case with you, but I've observed that the kinds of plots adults write for other adults feel static and unadventurous and boring in ways that just make me avoid them. I mean. If an author thinks the most growing their character can do is to leave a relationship or get into a different relationship or decide that they like being weird and single, mooshed in with their having thoughts and feelings about their job and worries about status and social advancement ... it seems to me like their characters are just treading water until they die. YA books tend to at least go for amibitious, imaginative story premises, even though they're often not well developed.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like this is very genre dependent?

Like what you're describing would be the kind of story I'd expect from an adult romance series either in modern day or the past, where the relationship they want and their job/social status takes central focus. But in other genres that won't be the case?

It's not like mundane YA doesn't do the exact same thing because it does: it's all about 'which boy/girl' the protag wants to be with (hell this gets an absurd level of focus in some of the fantasy YA stories too so YA really isn't free of this).

[(Anonymous)]

Dunno. When I think Young Adult, I think stories that are more about women interacting with dragons or boys training in the dark arts. And also stuff like A Wrinkle In Time and The Earthsea Cycle.

Frankly, I put a lot of books (for adults) about middle aged professors trying to decide whether or not to have an affair in the same realm of boring "leave relationship / get different relationship?" I wasn't specifically thinking of what generally gets classed as romance.

[(Anonymous)]

Earthsea is not YA and Wrinkle in Time can only retroactively fit that category.

There are, in fact, adult books about women and dragons and men and dark arts. The "middle aged professor having an affair" is way less prevalant in adult fiction than, say, "super special teenager needs to pick a love interest" is in YA

[(Anonymous)]

Earthsea and Wrinkle in Time are both classed as YA, in my local public library and on the wiki entry for them.

As a lifelong aromantic, I think I've found myself screening out about the same amount of "who I obsess over is supposed to MEAN SO MUCH" spilled ink, in books aimed at teenagers and books aimed at adults. Your mileage may vary, of course.

If you've got recs for books aimed at adults with dragons and dark arts in them, though, by all means, I'd be interested.

[(Anonymous)]

Earthsea is not YA anon, like at all.

I know there are plenty of adult books that aren't about 'brooding professors deciding to have an affair' because I've read them. Which is why I feel this is genre dependent and not age-dependent because I've also read many fantasy YA where almost the entire point of the book was which boy/girl does the protag choose. There just happens to be dragons.

[(Anonymous)]

Re Earthsea, see above.

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say I was willing to read back covers and discard the many books that didn't interest me (which wasn't hard with YA, because books that are stuffed full of relationship feels seem to consider that one of their selling points) in a genre that also featured themes that did, than in one where dismal mundanity was usually all I would find between their covers.

[(Anonymous)]

check out stuff for adults from the science fiction genre. ex: Hyperion (books 1 & 2) by Dan Simmons

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed, This is obviously generalizing it a bit But I do think that books and shows aimed at younger demography actually try to be fun and adventurous, but because they are trying to be relatable to younger readers, it doesn't speak to adult readers. While books for adults tend to try too hard to be realistic and grounded in a way that sometimes makes what could be fun a little boring.

[feotakahari]

Unfortunately, books for adults have a degree of overlap between “stories about fighting monsters” and “stories about how the author’s homeland has a great and heroic military who’ll keep us safe with their giant guns.” YA monster-hunting seems to be free of that for now.

[(Anonymous)]

But have you tried the Fridge Logic Test on adult books?

[(Anonymous)]

High concept stuff appeals to YA readers, and most people who like high concept stuff don't mind if it's written at a YA level.

(I sympathize fwiw OP!)

[(Anonymous)]

+100 there's more "risks" being taken in that genre, for better or worse

[(Anonymous)]

This.