[ SECRET POST #6063 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6063 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Well its all fun and attempt-to-make-money-with-somebody-else's property until somebody gets sued.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not 1993.

[(Anonymous)]

Which is definitely an iron clad defence against companies like Disney who are notoriously forgiving when it comes to making money off of their property 💙

[(Anonymous)]

Seriously, this.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep. I also think that as people get more and more in-your-face about making money off of other people's IP, we are getting closer and closer to that egregious incident that causes someone to get sued.

[(Anonymous)]

I hope the ficcer loses too, back to disclaimers and authorial control again.

[(Anonymous)]

I just don't see who's going to get sued in such a way that it Ends All Fanfic.

At most, people are going to be C&D'd the way people get C&Ds for unlicensed merch.

[(Anonymous)]

What if Ginny Thomas is an anti though?

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I haven't the slightest idea what you're trying to say, here.

[(Anonymous)]

Tell me you're younger than ffnet having to remove the NC-17 rating without telling me.

[(Anonymous)]

You can ignore those takedowns, fanfic is completely legal.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not legal, though. It's not illegal, either, it's undetermined. And I don't want to be the person who gets it determined one way or the other.

Vidding is legal, currently, thanks to the OTW's work!

[(Anonymous)]

Entirely depending on fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

--people talking about text-based derivative works who won't ever say the same thing about drawings or cosplay or plushes or...

[(Anonymous)]

Obviously you aren’t a crafter or artist of any kind. IP is a huge issue and the most successful makers who have been in the field more than a year or two won’t touch anything that belongs to someone else. We also get together and laugh hysterically at all the idiots (currently mainly Cricut and sublimation folks) who cry about Etsy closing their business.

dA

[(Anonymous)]

You sound elitist about your original work that won't sell more than ten copies.

Cry more into your shitty knitting or whatever. Hope your yarn collection ends up too tangled to use and is always one shade off forever.

Re: dA

[(Anonymous)]

Personally, I'd rather someone sell 10 copies of something that's completely original, over selling 100 of something that's ripping off another work. Want to write fanfic/create art of known properties? Absolutely! Have fun! Make a bit of money off selling some awesome fanwork? Sure, why not?
But demanding to make a proper wage off something that is already copyrighted by another person, sorry, that's unfair to the original artist/writer.

Re: dA

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT Thanks for the laugh! My yarn collection IS tangled because about twenty years ago I figured out I’m hopeless with yarn and no one will take it off my hands until I untangle it. Which I do keep meaning to get around to.

You’re really sheltered though if you think anyone selling crafts is only selling then things. Most crafts have nothing to do with yarn. Some home based professional quilters may only sell 10-20 quilts a year but at prices that would make you cry and enough to cover at least half of not all of their family’s living expenses for the year. Lots of us crafters are able to diversify into digital products that bring us residuals. Digital embroidery files, sewing patterns, patterns of any medium really…the possibilities are only limited by imagination. Your imagination only stretches to knitting but go to any of the big shows and you’ll see at least five vendors with the most amazing purses, clothing, jewelry, furniture, home goods of every kind to include quilts and handmade service ware, custom stained glass services on offer, and yes, even some knitted scarves and sweaters. Humans have been making things for thousands of years and there are still plenty of us who can do it without constraining ourselves to only making bootleg Star Wars or MCU or anime merch.

[(Anonymous)]

Aren't there actually quite a lot of fanartists who are willing to make fanart of copyrighted characters on a commission basis

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, yeah, making money on all of those things is illegal too. Your point?

[(Anonymous)]

But people do it all the time and it seems to be broadly considered normal in fandom

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, no. There are people who consider all of that garbage commercialization that does not belong in fandom, either. The fanart scene, for one, was a much nicer place to make stuff and ask for technical advice and just generally a lot less neurotic about "but people might DO things I don't APPROVE OF with my WORK" before all these increasingly-desperate attempts to turn a profit off of it.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000000

[(Anonymous)]

There's been banning of it at some conventions and sites like red bubble are currently having a crack down on what you can or can't sell in relation to certain fandom's.

No its not completely illegal, but there are people working on it, that's for sure.

[(Anonymous)]

See, I'm all in favor of the fun. Can't say I've got much sympathy for people trying to turn a profit in USian fandom, though. And they spend altogether too much energy trying to browbeat people into becoming their customers and position themselves as superior to fans who make art and fic for free.

It was different in Latin America - there were a lot of kids selling cheap buttons out of fanart they got off the internet, and adults who designed really nice, more complicated things: the best anime calendar I ever bought was pirated, while the official one the studio put out was overly influenced by trend-following and "grunge is in this year." But there was deep admiration for the fact that fandom was full of people from all over who were talented enough to make wonderful things, and generous enough to make them available. There was a sense of obligation to the community, that translated into a lot of high-quality free things available in Spanish, papercraft patterns and cosplay tutorials and whatever people felt like they really knew how to do. I never ran into a single vendor who was fool enough to act like "I'm better than you because this is my job," and I doubt I will, because such disrespect would be the fastest way to be shown the door by absolutely everybody.

But in the States, it feels like the people setting up merch tables regard anyone who isn't charging as unfair competition. And when they posture about belonging here more than other people, all I can think is that they don't belong in fandom at all. They're just after money and hope to duck the restrictions that come with running a business. And often, so much of the stuff they're depending on is stuff other people contributed to everyone for free, with the expectation that it would keep being shared in the same spirit that they offered it. But no, it's the last people to arrive who hope to plant their flag, enclose the commons, and monetize at will.

Maybe I'm being too harsh, but when someone posts about how they're "okay with" people being paid for things in fandom, I tend to assume they're a so-and-so with an online business of some sort, trying to convince the rest of us that they're actually not doing something gross. Despite all evidence to the contrary.