[ SECRET POST #6063 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6063 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

--people talking about text-based derivative works who won't ever say the same thing about drawings or cosplay or plushes or...

[(Anonymous)]

Obviously you aren’t a crafter or artist of any kind. IP is a huge issue and the most successful makers who have been in the field more than a year or two won’t touch anything that belongs to someone else. We also get together and laugh hysterically at all the idiots (currently mainly Cricut and sublimation folks) who cry about Etsy closing their business.

dA

[(Anonymous)]

You sound elitist about your original work that won't sell more than ten copies.

Cry more into your shitty knitting or whatever. Hope your yarn collection ends up too tangled to use and is always one shade off forever.

Re: dA

[(Anonymous)]

Personally, I'd rather someone sell 10 copies of something that's completely original, over selling 100 of something that's ripping off another work. Want to write fanfic/create art of known properties? Absolutely! Have fun! Make a bit of money off selling some awesome fanwork? Sure, why not?
But demanding to make a proper wage off something that is already copyrighted by another person, sorry, that's unfair to the original artist/writer.

Re: dA

[(Anonymous)]

Fanartist here and 100% agreed, I laugh every time someone gets shut down for selling fanart.

I do tons of fanart but you won't ever catch me trying to sell any of it, it's all free for whoever wants to view it because it's not my intellectual property to be making money on.

Re: dA

[(Anonymous)]

Another artist. And YES. I don't sell fanart. I don't condemn everyone for that. But I am not selling anything that isn't my original work.

Re: dA

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT Thanks for the laugh! My yarn collection IS tangled because about twenty years ago I figured out I’m hopeless with yarn and no one will take it off my hands until I untangle it. Which I do keep meaning to get around to.

You’re really sheltered though if you think anyone selling crafts is only selling then things. Most crafts have nothing to do with yarn. Some home based professional quilters may only sell 10-20 quilts a year but at prices that would make you cry and enough to cover at least half of not all of their family’s living expenses for the year. Lots of us crafters are able to diversify into digital products that bring us residuals. Digital embroidery files, sewing patterns, patterns of any medium really…the possibilities are only limited by imagination. Your imagination only stretches to knitting but go to any of the big shows and you’ll see at least five vendors with the most amazing purses, clothing, jewelry, furniture, home goods of every kind to include quilts and handmade service ware, custom stained glass services on offer, and yes, even some knitted scarves and sweaters. Humans have been making things for thousands of years and there are still plenty of us who can do it without constraining ourselves to only making bootleg Star Wars or MCU or anime merch.

Re: dA

[(Anonymous)]

Yet another DA

The comment you responded to was disdainful of fandom commercialization, but solidly informative. All this one added was vitriol.

[(Anonymous)]

Aren't there actually quite a lot of fanartists who are willing to make fanart of copyrighted characters on a commission basis

[(Anonymous)]

Fanartists who do that are hoping not to be noticed by the IP owners and shut down. You'll notice most of them are intentionally vague about what subject they're actually offering to draw, with anything they don't own.

And, legally speaking, in the US I don't think they have a leg to stand on. AFAIK, companies haven't gone to the trouble of posing as customers, requesting illegal art, and suing for copyright infringement yet, but if they felt like throwing the gray market into chaos, that's probably what they would do.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, yeah, making money on all of those things is illegal too. Your point?

[(Anonymous)]

But people do it all the time and it seems to be broadly considered normal in fandom

[(Anonymous)]

DA

That depends on a lot more things than you're considering. People try it over and over in countries that actually enforce their IP laws and get shut down and fined, while the people who know better than to do that shrug and go about their business. As you saw upthread.

People have better luck paying off law enforcement and enagaging in open piracy in some parts of the third world, but competition is intense and profit margins often very thin because everyone has equal access to what here would be "protected" brands, and it's nearly as easy for a consumer to go to a copy shop and print out a superhero poster (or fanart that they liked, or torrid erotica, or whatever) for themselves as it is to get any of that from a street seller.

Also, part of why the big companies don't bother trying to shut that down more is because most people literally cannot afford to pay for a legitimate copy of anything. So their options are between "we get a reputation for being asshole bullies that terrorize peasants, and if people were to stop pirating our stuff they'd also stop wearing it or having it in their house, and it would be replaced by some competitor's thing that wasn't obsessively policed" or limiting their efforts to complaining to the government periodically. You can probably guess what they tend to do!

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, no. There are people who consider all of that garbage commercialization that does not belong in fandom, either. The fanart scene, for one, was a much nicer place to make stuff and ask for technical advice and just generally a lot less neurotic about "but people might DO things I don't APPROVE OF with my WORK" before all these increasingly-desperate attempts to turn a profit off of it.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000000

[(Anonymous)]

There's been banning of it at some conventions and sites like red bubble are currently having a crack down on what you can or can't sell in relation to certain fandom's.

No its not completely illegal, but there are people working on it, that's for sure.