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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2023-08-14 05:59 pm

[ SECRET POST #6065 ]


⌈ Secret Post #6065 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2023-08-14 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
This secret has a point. I agree. No notes.

The real problem is getting yet another "based on a true story" about some poor, beleaguered genius, white man for the millionth time. It'd be a hundred percent less eye-rolling if Oppenheimer didn't whitewash the actual man. An unblinking honest depiction would have been something different, and a hell of a lot more interesting to watch.

(Anonymous) 2023-08-15 12:41 am (UTC)(link)
If you're going to get technical about it, during his lifetime Oppenheimer was only considered conditionally white at best. He wasn't being asked to join their golf clubs or anything.

(Anonymous) 2023-08-15 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
From what I've learned, he was generally treated as white. If anything, he seemed to be disliked more for his social awkwardness than anything else. But who knows, you may be right. After what he helped bring about, his past was very smooth-over the way Einstein's was. (Still, I wish I never learned about Oppenheimer's time at camp. I really do.)

(Anonymous) 2023-08-15 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, a lot of people forget that there were tons of people who may have LOOKED white but who weren't treated as white at the time due to the social politics of the era.

-- someone whose great-grandparents were Irish immigrants who came over during the potato famine and who faced huge amounts of discrimination despite them having "white" skin

(Anonymous) 2023-08-15 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
in practice, functionally speaking, there are three categories of belonging in America: "American", "Recent immigrant", and "Black"

(Anonymous) 2023-08-16 01:48 pm (UTC)(link)
At least five. The categories you listed, Native American, and non-Black PoC.

(Anonymous) 2023-08-16 03:20 pm (UTC)(link)
In the paradigm AYRT is describing non-Black PoC are all Recent Immigrants regardless of how many generations their family has been here and Native Americans disappeared in the 19th century, so if you meet a person who seems Native American, by those rules they're also a Recent Immigrant. Probably Mexican, all brown people are Mexican unless they're Black (there are no Black Recent Immigrants).

(Anonymous) 2023-08-16 03:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, if you really want to complain about something SJW-ish while actually engaging with the movie they made, the way they handled his Judaism is *right there*