[ SECRET POST #6068 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6068 ⌋

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[Pâquerette Down the Bunburrows]



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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I remember when paywalls didn't exist on the internet. IMO, you don't get to tell people their annoyance is invalid.

[(Anonymous)]

And you don't get to whine like an entitled shitty spoiled brat that you are that people aren't handing you things for free they spent lots of time on all the time like some kid in a toy store who doesn't understand that the shiny My Size Barbie costs money and can't just be grabbed from the display

[(Anonymous)]

If anyone is being a shitty spoiled brat, it's the people who want to monetize fandom. Get a job.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh. Classic case of the extremes of both sides suck. The extent to which fandom gets monetized these days is not ideal and some people do overdo it but the entitlement of demanding content (and fan made merch) for free is also pretty skeevy.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't see how saying that fandom shouldn't be monetized is "demanding content for free." It's just saying that fanwork isn't something that people should be trying to make money on.

And, yes, fandom in general SHOULD be free, because it's something that's meant to be accessible for everyone. When you start trying to monetize fandom content, then you're shutting a whole bunch of people out of the fandom if they can't afford to pay for it, and that's wrong. There shouldn't be barriers to participating in fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

It is though. People ITT are saying "yes well in my time even fanmerch was free" and demanding people just give out stuff for free is entitled. Fandom is more than just online fic and fanart and if you want a physical print of something you gotta pay for it.

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NAYRT

That's nonsense. There are many alternatives to paying for what you call "fanmerch." And hitting the button on a printer is not what anyone would mistake for "valuable work that you really need to pay someone else to do." In any sense.

People in this thread are talking about tangible fan-things being free because a lot of them were and still are. Making cool stuff is part of what I do for fun. Some of it costs me nothing. The rest of it, though, is exactly what I want to be spending my money and time on.

What's "entitled" is insisting that you ought to be able to set up an office in the middle of our gift exchange.

[(Anonymous)]

You really are hilariously naive. And your privilege is showing.

[(Anonymous)]

Nope. But I guess I can't expect a better reply from someone who falls back on nothing but accusations and assumptions.

[(Anonymous)]

No it's just true. High quality prints are not as simple as just "hitting the button on a printer", also, do you think printer ink/toners are free? You keep pretending that people owe you their free products that they invested time and money into making.

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DA

But they're not the same thing at all. You're just arguing with someone who's distorting your argument and accusing you of irrelevant things.

The thing is, the people wanting to sell stuff in fandom are always standing on the unpaid work of other people. Most of them learned to do what they do from free tutorials and free resources. And they try to self-promote and brand and monetize in spaces where people are congregating for social purposes, and never consented to listen to sales pitches. It's a baldfaced attempt to enrich themselves at the expense of the commons, and it happens over and over.

I'm starting to think we'd have a use for something like the open source "you can use this any way except commercially" license, in fandom, if we could sort out how to enforce it.

But understand that fans saying "this behavior is bad and the people who do it are unwelcome" is an existential threat to their intended business model. That's why you've got anons being as unpleasant as possible about telling you that you're wrong. And running up and down this thread trying to do that.

[(Anonymous)]

If you can't argue without resorting to cheap insults and personal attacks, you can't argue.

Long live all the free sites that spoil paywalls, block advertisements, and disable geolocation to make "this content not available in your country" content available everywhere, like the web used to work before companies tried to break it in the hopes of monetizing.

Long live true social media where the site actually treats everyone well, like Dreamwidth, and online libraries with courage like the AO3, and Libgen, and places that dare to make publicly paid for scientific research publicly accessible, like Sci-hub.

All of that realizes some fraction of the potential of the internet. While "you can also find this store online" has never been anything but a carryover from a world a lot of us would love to never see again.