[ SECRET POST #6075 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6075 ⌋

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[Fallen London]



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[Krazy Kat]



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[The Lost Tomb]



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[Transcript: I swear the hell, none of you people think writing is "real" art that takes "real" effort, not compared to the other kinds.]


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[Transcript: I bought a red immersion blender just so I could name it Tom Servo.]






















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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I used to think art was pretty much what the above posts I responded to said art is, but with AI generated product, "written and drawn," claiming more and more ground in artistic spaces, I started to rethink my stance.

Now I think art should be something that comes from a real person who puts more effort into their art than just having some vague idea they've haphazardly scribbled on a piece of "paper." It should be more than someone typing a ten-word prompt into ChatGPT, who then believes they've done the same hard work as someone who put real time, real skill, and real work into their craft. And I think we need to take a stance on what real art is before it gets redefined for us by tech bros who don't care one whit about art but do care if they corner the market and get paid all the money doing it. Because if it's left up to those guys, soon creating art will literally become just a button click, and I think that would be horrific.

Again, I don't mean to sound so haughty and hyperbolic, but this topic has been a sore spot for me, lately.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Okay, I get you. I definitely empathise with the existential dread that results from looking into the soulless vacuum of AI content and what it might become, lol, and I get how you'd be reminded of that by the original anon's comment, but I don't think that's what they meant or where they were coming from. They didn't mention AI at all, and I don't think most people consider putting prompts into an AI to be "writing a story", and I really can't believe that, in their heart of hearts, people who've used an AI to generate fiction think they've done the same thing as someone who wrote something from scratch. They might pretend they do, but... they don't.

I guess I'm interested in why you feel that emphasising the time, skill, and effort going into an artwork is the most important or best way to distinguish it from AI content. For me (and I obviously take a pretty dim view to AI stuff myself) the difference is intent - an AI's response to a prompt has no creative intent, no human mistakes, no cultural viewpoint, no personal baggage. At best it can only simulate those things. But my friend's (stunning and skilled) acrylic painting of their cat, and my friend's daughter's (unintelligible) crayon drawings of cats both have human intent, and end up looking the way they do because of the unique person who made them. Whether they took two minutes or weeks and weeks, that's still really different from AI content to me. And you leave WAY more of yourself on the table with writing. Even a ten year old on a sugar high!

I don't mean to be rude, but to me the emphasis on time/skill/effort tends to feel a bit elitist. I think it can foster a really discouraging environment for new artists/writers/etc who aren't skilled yet and so end up producing stuff that's kind of bad - and despite probably having put in a lot of effort, art that's not very good is often interpreted as low effort or "not trying hard enough". I don't know, I wouldn't want to discourage the baby (new artists) in an effort to get rid of the bathwater (AI).

[(Anonymous)]

I did bring up AI, and that was the larger point of my response and I wanted to know how that first poster reconciled their view of the so-called low barrier of entry, and other similar arguments used by AI evangelists. Did they see the danger of what their views implied in the age of AI? But I think I could have been clearer about that.

I know my viewpoint is elitist, and I don't like it either. When I first started writing I could barely string two sentences together, and I was lucky no one was kicking me in the face for writing so badly and daring to put my mess out there for everyone to see. But that was twenty years ago, and the world's a different place now. And because of AI and the general disregard for writing and writers as displayed by studios who want to replace skilled writers with AI prompts, remakes, and scripted reality tv, I think we need to make art and artists more valuable, more respected, not less by putting their efforts on the same level of fingerpainting parents stick on a fridge. We need writing and all forms of drawing, as artforms, to meet higher standards now more than ever.

Doing anything else, in my opinion, is opening the door to artists, all artists, being more easily relegated to irrelevance and destitution.

[(Anonymous)]

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[(Anonymous)]

I don't mean to be rude, but to me the emphasis on time/skill/effort tends to feel a bit elitist. I think it can foster a really discouraging environment for new artists/writers/etc who aren't skilled yet and so end up producing stuff that's kind of bad - and despite probably having put in a lot of effort, art that's not very good is often interpreted as low effort or "not trying hard enough".

Above anon and yes, this is exactly the point I was trying to make. When you start imposing arbitrary requirements like "you must have this much skill/have spent this much blood, sweat, and tears honing your craft" before someone can call themselves a writer/artist, you're implicitly discouraging all of those people who DON'T have that level of skill yet or maybe can't put in that amount of time from even trying at all. It's gatekeeping and it's shitty.

If you've written a story/drawn a picture, you're a writer/artist and you can call yourself that regardless of your level of technical skill. And that's what's great! You did a thing and you can be proud of doing that thing even if it might not be the best thing out there.