[ SECRET POST #6077 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6077 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yup, been on FFN since '99. Grateful for the opportunity to write for so many series, AND it's had its share of problems. We can debate the removal of the MA rating, or how the reporting system is basically useless, or even how it's great that it still exists as an archive over 24 years later.

[(Anonymous)]

Given the political climate and the insane media focus it was under, it is hard to think of what FF.net could have done to survive other than removing the outright porn. There was literally talk of congress passing laws if they didn't. Even without the added complication of advertising funding, it was in a tough spot. If AO3 had been facing similar media scrutiny, I think they'd have made the same call in the end. The different funding model would have bought them a little extra time, but the endgame would have been the same. It was the media and political focus that made FF.net lose the outright porn.

[(Anonymous)]

If AO3 had been facing similar media scrutiny, I think they'd have made the same call in the end.

I do not believe this to be true

[(Anonymous)]

If AO3 were told to lose the porn or the law would be changed to make fanfic outright illegal, you believe they'd keep the porn?

[(Anonymous)]

I believe they'd go out with their boots on.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. But freedom of speech exists, so they'd be fine. Worst case, they'd have to add some kind of more robust age verification.

Jesus Christmas Tree. 4Chan is loads worse than any fanfic hosting site when it comes to content. There's revenge porn on there.

[(Anonymous)]

Freedom of speech is not unlimited, even in the US. It's illegal to threaten others with death or violence. It's illegal to incite riots. It's illegal to distribute porn to minors (people under 18 or 21, depending on the state). Obscenity laws exist.

There is no guarantee that they'd be fine if the case went to court in a conservative district or ended up in front of a conservative judge, especially the religious kind who wants to rewrite the law to fit in with their views. Also litigation takes time and money, and the other side has lots and lots of both.

Plus, no one really wants to be the test case for distributing fanfic porn to minors.

[(Anonymous)]

*nayrt btw

[(Anonymous)]

"Distributing porn to minors"???? I, uh, actually love to be the one to tell you this, but anything you can find on AO3 you can find in a government funded library in the US. There are no age limits. The only difference you'd be able to find is that most of the stuff in the public libraries is het. So.... you think it's just the gay that's the problem?

[(Anonymous)]

It's not me who thinks it's the gay that's the problem; it's conservative politicians, judges and juries who think it's the gay that's a problem.

Don't put words in my mouth.

[(Anonymous)]

If they've gone far enough to go after AO3, we have worse problems on our hands. No one is going to be caring about fanfic.

[(Anonymous)]

Or they might just think AO3 is a soft target.

[(Anonymous)]

AO3 is founded by people who know perfectly well what an empty threat that would be, and they have the legal fund to prove it in court. So yeah, yes, there is really no question whatsoever that they would keep the porn. They will always keep the porn.

[(Anonymous)]

There was literally talk of congress passing laws if they didn't.

Doubt

[(Anonymous)]

Believe what you want, pal.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't need your permission.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000000

It was about money--like usual. AYRT is latching onto convenient, flimsy excuses.

[(Anonymous)]

Sounds like there would be bigger problems at hand than not being able to read fanfics if the censorship online truly got that bad.

[(Anonymous)]

I know, right? I love reading fanfiction but this extreme censorship is much more problematic

[(Anonymous)]

+millions

FFN was in a very difficult situation and the site owner did the best they could at the time.

[(Anonymous)]

Can we debate how it's become literally unusable without adblockers?