[ SECRET POST #6099 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6099 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

YES! It's like a marriage of gay characters and purity culture. I feel like these things are diametrically opposed and forcing them together leads to people, oh I don't know, turning on other gay media because it actually does depict gay sexual relationships. Because the author/creator isn't an actual ally. They only perform at it.

[(Anonymous)]

The author is asexual anon, they didn't initially write about sex because it wasn't where the story was focused at first, but in later comics they do talk about sex and have it. Just because you don't see them raw-dogging each other on page doesn't make it purity culture.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I am also asexual, and I don't expect to see them raw dogging. But the cutsey twee way this show is made screams the fake christian fantasy of completely pure dating that they told us was the way it "should be". And it wasn't like that at all. Teenagers aren't like that at all. And when we live in a society that focuses only on the sex part of homosexuality, it's not a good idea to lean into THAT as being the defining characteristic of why it's "bad" and make gay relationships sanitized.

All of this is what is going through my mind when I see the picture above, and I can't even give it a chance. Because that IS purity culture. It's respectability politics. I will have no truck with it.

That's not even getting into the horrible things the author has said about other queer media.

[(Anonymous)]

… anon have you even watched the show because none of that is in it, there’s no ‘this is how teens SHOULD be’ they’re just teens figuring themselves out, no one is making this sinister except you. Christ alive it isn’t even set in America, the UK does not have the same hang ups about sex, teens get depicted having sex or not depending on the show, this one doesn’t because of the age rating, that’s it.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

If you had read any of my comments you would know I haven't. No wonder you didn't get anything I said. You didn't read it!

BTW, the mormon friend I had in highschool was from the UK. We lived in Oklahoma. So.... I would say try again, but you don't understand the things I write so, goodbye.

[(Anonymous)]

NA

If you had read any of my comments you would know I haven't.

I gather you're talking about "I can't even give it a chance" from your above comment and possibly "I could never get into it" from your first comment. Both of which phrases are a lot more ambiguous than you seem to think. I'd been assuming that you'd watched an episode or two of the show and noped out of it, not that you'd been criticizing the show in depth for multiple comments while never having watched even a small portion of it.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd been assuming that you'd watched an episode or two of the show and noped out of it, not that you'd been criticizing the show in depth for multiple comments while never having watched even a small portion of it.

This was very much what I thought, too, since the latter is so irrational and intellectually absent it almost defies belief.

Like, ayrt's feelings are valid, but to show up and criticize the show in fairly damning terms based on nothing but one's feelings?

It's a weird thing to do.

[(Anonymous)]

As an American who has been to the UK, has friends from there, and watches more of your media than my own, boy you keep telling yourself that about not having the same hangups about sex as we do lmao. At least we're aware of our culture's hangups. All you Brits can do is compare yourselves to the US and say you don't have sex hangups, or racism, or any of our problems because you're better than us.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't say there was no hang-ups, I said we don't have the same hang-ups, and that's true. We're not teaching our kids sex doesn't exist, we're not teaching them to feel shame for wanting to wank off, but our sex ed overall absolutely should be better because there's things we don't learn that we should.

Also completely wild for you to jump to 'you guys have racism' as if I claimed we didn't anywhere at all in my post(because we do and it sucks, but that wasn't the conversation so weird diversion bro). I was talking about sex and nothing else, but please do put words into my mouth and not read what I wrote as some poor attempt at a 'gotcha'.

[(Anonymous)]

"We're not" as though Mormons and Evangelicals don't exist in the UK.

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who is neither UK or US by nationality but has experienced both cultures, you're right and you should say it.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, like... if the author hadn't run their mouth about other queer media in a gross/dismissive way, Heartstopper would be just a thing that's probably not for me but which I'd try and not have strong opinions on, but I just can't look at it without thinking about how they were tearing down other queer creators and art, and like... I just can't hold with that.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you but don't bring the author's asexuality into this, because I know there are a lot of asexuals ready to jump on you for using asexuality to promote ""purity culture""

I know this as an asexual who also doesn't want actual "think of the asexuals!" cries being used to stifle sexually explicit works, but Heartstopper existing also isn't a problem and people need to shut up about it.

[(Anonymous)]

This is an extremely bad-faith reading of the text.

The characters don't have sex because they just don't feel emotionally ready for it yet; that is explicitly stated in the text. And it seems like the author wanted to tell a story which validated that kind of honest and sincere discussion of feelings and boundaries. Part of sex positivity is validating those who don't want to have sex, or, like the characters in Heartstopper, simply don't want to have sex yet.