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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2023-09-18 04:22 pm

[ SECRET POST #6100 ]


⌈ Secret Post #6100 ⌋

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[personal profile] feotakahari 2023-09-18 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
“Do you take off your wrestling mask and boxing gloves before you go to bed?”

“Do you take off your face and hands before you go to bed?”

(Anonymous) 2023-09-18 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't think of a ton of examples, so I'm not sure what my opinion is on this.

I kind of wish the audience had never been shown Mando's face on The Mandalorian. I thought it was great that he let Grogu see his face. I was also cool with him taking his mask of when he had to in order to save Grogu. I just think they should've shot the scene so that we weren't shown his face. Not even because I didn't want to see what he looked like--though honestly I would prefer not officially knowing--but mainly because I just think that honoring the character's privacy and his personal boundaries by not making his face the target of the camera's gaze, even as we witness him unmask in front of others, would've been a much more coherent narrative statement. (Sort of a Legend Of Lady Godiva type beat.)

OTOH, Luke seeing his father's face (and us seeing it, essentially "through" Luke) worked for me due to the specifics of the scenario. For one, the fact that Luke was alone, and that it was his father's last moments, but also, very importantly, the reveal of what Anakin is/has become beneath the mask--not something fearsome but something profoundly diminished and sad. I think what the reveal says about the nature of the drive for ever greater power and control--that it is a pathetic drive at its core--was extremely poignant and effective.
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[personal profile] philstar22 2023-09-19 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
Yes to all of this. Both those takes are ones I agree with. Wish we hadn't seen Mando's face. But Luke unmasking Anakin and Anakin getting to see his son's face with his own eyes was such a powerful scene.

(Anonymous) 2023-09-20 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
Agree with both of your statements. I do wish we had never seen Mando's face because I think it would have been better storytelling.

And seeing Vader's face was an emotional necessity for Luke & for the audience, as much as the sight of his old, white, egghead devestated 10-year-old me who had an enormous crush on him, lol.

(Anonymous) 2023-09-19 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, masks can be very powerful, and if you're going to do a reveal it should be equally powerful, not just "oh yeah, here's a guy".

(Anonymous) 2023-09-19 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I think unmasking can be done well if it serves a huge narrative purpose in the story.

I respectfully (half) disagree with the commenter above on Mando, and believe his unmasking to Grogu was utterly spectacular. That said, it would've worked better if it had been the only time he had been unmasked, as this is him biding goodbye to someone he saw as a son, and wanted him to remember not a helmet for protection, but the face of a human being that loves him. Remembering he also removed his helmet in the first season finale kind of took away the impact for that scene with Grogu, as well as when they infiltrated.

Halo... is an interesting case. I think Halo 4 had the benefit of a LOT of lore behind the Master Chief's dehumanization, so after the plot of the game in which John gradually thinks about his own humanity and his friend's mortality, he's not fully unmasked, but we only see his eyes, so we see how much the war has cost him. But, we never see his face again, more due to them pressing the reset button every time the fandom bitches.

... Meanwhile, the live-action series had him remove it in the first sodding episode, when we didn't even know that version of the Chief... and barely put it on. And people expected us to think that was John, and not some other guy with anger issues that sleeps with POWs. I didn't even know "PUT ON THE FUCKING HELMET!" was a meme when I was screaming that when me and my mates watched the first eps.