[ SECRET POST #6110 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6110 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

[fscom]

01. https://i.imgur.com/3uQXNxG.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

How does this work, like do you just ignore canon or come up with elaborate justifications for why Secretbadguy McBabyeater totally had good reasons for eating those babies or what? Not trying to be judgy, villains rock, but the "I still see them as a hero and consider their evil acts justified no matter what they are" is like ?? what

[(Anonymous)]

sounds to me like the character isn't McBabyeater because they were the hero, or portrayed as a hero not a babyeater, so maybe more ambiguously naughty? idk, I've never watched anything where a hero turned out to be the villain in the end so OP really needs to bring us some examples.

[(Anonymous)]

Laughing pretty big @ Secretbadguy McBabyeater

[(Anonymous)]

I can think of some heroes that spiraled into becoming villains over time that I sort of understood (like Will Graham in Hannibal). But for the ones that readily come to mind for heroes revealed to be villains all along, that's going to be a no from me. I mean, how Burke from Aliens ended up felt karmic; I maybe wanted Elsa from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade to let The Grail go for Indy's sake, but she did work for the Nazis so I wasn't that fussed that she didn't; and while I found them plausible, I was pretty unimpressed with Mysterio's petty reasons for what he did in Spiderman: No Way Home.

[(Anonymous)]

No need for *elaborate* justifications. Secretbadguy Mcbabyeater can be justified in eating babies because he likes to and who even cares about babies anyway? All they do is eat, cry and shit. I have nothing against babies IRL and of course I'd be horrified by a real person eating them. But for the story? Babies aren't that great and the villain is doing the world a favor by eating some.

^OP by the way

[(Anonymous)]

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[meadowphoenix]

usually when i see this, the villain has been unknown but explicitly referenced as the cause of things the heroes are fighting...so are you saying that you believe the reason the villain gives when the reveal happens or do you really have no feelings toward the villain to begin with so it's easy to port good feels to them when they're known? like is there ever a case where you felt genuine disgust toward the "villain" and that feeling just completely goes away once you find out who they are?

like what are some examples lol

[(Anonymous)]

No idea who the OP is referring to, but the character that immediately came to mind is Grant Ward, from Agents of SHIELD. His fans were pretty, ummm, dedicated….I guess is the word? 😂

[meadowphoenix]

i didn't watch shield, but from what i heard (terrible manipulative family/cog in a bigger hydra machine) i can see how fans would justify that i think (and i feel like the show facilitated that a little? if what my friends who liked it said was true)

that's why i want op's examples because i'm still ???? if her fave characters are like bbeg or something

[(Anonymous)]

DA I agree, but also there was a solid cult-style abusive backstory for Grant Ward, so I'm pretty okay with his fans sticking with him.

[feotakahari]

Hard mode: Dread, from Otherland by Tad Williams. He starts out impersonating someone he murdered, and he doesn’t do a single decent thing after he’s revealed. His idea of flirting with someone is to set a person on fire to try to amuse her.

[(Anonymous)]

I would love examples, I often remain sympathetic to a character who was initially presented as heroic but I don't think I've ever just 100% seen a villain as heroic.

[(Anonymous)]

not OP, but for me the biggest offender here is Boyd from Dollhouse

because the ~twist~ reveal that one of the long-time staunch good guys is actually a bad guy risking life and limb undercover at his own company is so convoluted and makes NO sense

I'm like, that's a full ass pull for shock value, I reject it