[ SECRET POS T#910 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #910 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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102.
[iCarly]


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[Doctor Who/Torchwood, Eureka]


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105. [SPOILERS for Tsubasa]



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106.
[Tenimyu]


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107.
[HIMYM]


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108.
[Banlieue 13]


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111.
[Christopher Eccleston]


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115.
[Father Ted]


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116.
[Law and Order: Criminal Intent]


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117.
[Balto]


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119.
[Harry and Isabelle McNally]


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120.
[Harry Potter]


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121.
[Rhythm Heaven]


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122.
[8 Simple Rules]


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[Star Trek]


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131.
[Two And A Half Men]


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132.
[Transformers Animated]


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133.
[Joss Whedon/Eliza Dushku]


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134.
[Soul Calibur, Hunchback of Notre Dame]


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135.
[rifftrax]


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137.
[Draco and the Malfoys]


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140. [spoilers for Fringe]



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[Captain Harlock]


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142.
[Pokemon]


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[Prince of Tennis]


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144.
[YuGiOh 5d's]


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[artemis fowl, ff7:ac]


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[Sean Harry/Witchcraft X: Mistress of the Craft/Starfury Conventions]


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153. [spoilers for Sengoku Basara]



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154. [spoilers for Naruto]



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[Raines, Double Arts]


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156.
[Birds of Prey]


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157.
[The Hangover]


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158.
[Hope and Glory]


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159.
[Air America]


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160.
[Yahtzee/Zero Punctuation/Game Damage]


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161.
[SwiftKarateChop/Shane Dawson]


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162.
[Hayley Williams/Gwen Stefani]


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[Transformers Armada]


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[Torchwood]


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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

113. http://i44.tinypic.com/141rxpf.jpg

[alpha-orionis-v.livejournal.com]

That rule is so flawed anyway. I tried it on two of my favourite comic books. Y the Last Man failed pretty badly. The Boys? Passed with flying colours.

[mimes.livejournal.com]

That is. . .

well

I actually have no idea what to say what to say to that.

[(Anonymous)]

Confused here - how can Y fail? Almost the entire cast is female, and they talk about all sorts of things that come up after half the world's population dies.

[jaclynhyde.livejournal.com]

...my mind is boggled.

[mutantjules.livejournal.com]

...that's HILARIOUS. and completely fucked up, but hilarious (also, SHIT YEAH on both comics <3).

dammit, now I'm mentally testing a buncha comics I love. I'm pretty sure Preacher fails. Runaways passes. unless I'm forgetting something, Cable & Deadpool fails. Transmetropolitan passes (yay!♥ even a flawed test, it's my favourite comic evar and I'd be sad if it didn't, just because Channon and Yelena are too badfuckingass to be talking about Spider ALL the time)...SHIT. THIS DOES NOT NEED TO TURN INTO A PROJECT, ESPECIALLY SINCE I KNOW THE TEST DOESN'T ACTUALLY PROVE ANYTHING. HEADDESK.

[kitty-wake.livejournal.com]

Perhaps it's not flawed, and it's just showing you how weird it is that a comic where almost all male creatures are absent can still fail such a simple test. It's not like Y: The Last Man had to pass, it's just that it looks bizarre when it doesn't!

[holidaylights.livejournal.com]

Eh, I like Bechdel's Rule, but I never saw it as a "do not read/watch things that don't follow" type thing as much as a guide to realizing how skewed some entertainment is. Besides, by their very nature, some media - old war movies, for example - just aren't going to fit in. Doesn't mean there's nothing worthwhile about them.

[kitty-wake.livejournal.com]

Exactly! Following the Bechdel test does not make you a feminist; not following it doesn't make you not a feminist. It's just there to show you that many forms of media are male-dominated, and maybe you should think about that. I didn't care that Master and Commander failed spectacularly, because of the setting* - however, it's pretty damned odd that the new Star Trek movie only passed it by a whisker when it's set almost three centuries in the future!

* I love Age of Sail stuff. I have a whole bookshelf of genre novels that fail the Bechdel test pretty hard. I'm no less a feminist - I just read these things because they're fun. I also have a shelf of Doctor Who novels that do considerably better, or at least have one convincing female character who plays an important part in the action.

[thene]

Eh, I like Bechdel's Rule, but I never saw it as a "do not read/watch things that don't follow" type thing as much as a guide to realizing how skewed some entertainment is.

This. It's not about a standard of acceptability so much as metadata: how pitifully few blockbuster movies meet the Bechdel Test is an indictment of our culture, but the individual films involved may or may not be awful.

[nicole-anell.livejournal.com]

EXACTLY.

[oltha_heri.livejournal.com]

I think there are lots of great shows with good female characters with only one female character, and that to dismiss those is to miss out on a lot of awesome females.

[box-life.livejournal.com]

The Bechdel test fails, because if you reversed the genders a lot of things made for a mostly female audience would fail. Also, depending on perspective and setting, it just may not be appropriate.

[(Anonymous)]

I've always interpreted the Bechdel Rule as a sort of thought experiment useful for pointing out how fucked up the portrayal of gender in Hollywood is, rather than a literal rule that I must use to guide my film-watching choices. (Although I realize the comic strip from which it originated portrayed it as the latter.) I've seen a lot of other people interpret it the same way.

I don't think that many feminists believe that enjoying anything about men is intrinsically bad.

[blinkidybah.livejournal.com]

omfg I'm so sick of strawman!feminism. :-/

[sistermagpie.livejournal.com]

I didn't think it was supposed to work that way anyway? Like, nobody thinks that if you're a feminist you're supposed to avoid any movie that doesn't have 2 women talking together about something other than men. It's just made, I thought, to be aware of trends.

[typhon-9.livejournal.com]

Hamlet totally fits that rule. I mean, only by making it, but it does. Ophelia and Gertrude totally have crazy-talk time together.... about flowers.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, for fuck's sake. You're not a "bad feminist" for enjoying male-oriented entertainment, and the vast majority of feminists would never argue that you are. All the Bechdel Test does is point out how male-oriented most entertainment is, and how this is a problem in our society. It's a problem that most kick-ass heroines are in movies where no other female characters exist. It's a problem that entertainment oriented towards women tends to focus on their issues with men at the expense of every other issue that could occupy their time and attention.

Yes, one of the characters in the original comic uses the Bechdel Test as a RULE for what she watches, but no one is arguing that this is what YOU or any other woman should do. Feminists are allowed to enjoy whatever entertainment they damn well feel like. All the Bechdel Test is doing is saying, "Hey, there's a really big discrepancy here, and it would be kind of awesome if more movies/books/comics/tv shows addressed that." That's ALL.

[childings.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I think it's pretty stupid to ignore everything ever produced that doesn't fit that rule (which includes many classics that should not be overlooked). But I do think it's a pretty good idea in general to keep the Bechdel Rule in mind when creating new works (I'm not entirely sure I'm holding up to it myself).

[sessile29.livejournal.com]

People have already said what needs to be said - that the Bechdel test is more about bringing awareness to the roles of women in media - and I'll just comment on the "apparently you can't be a good feminist and sometimes like things about men". Just... no. If women are supposed to not relate to anything the menfolk do, then that just reinforces this sense that there's a "male" way and a "female" way of thinking and doing things. I wouldn't trust any "feminist" who advocates such a position like OMG IT'S GOT MEN DUN LIKE IT!11!1!

[jaclynhyde.livejournal.com]

Feminism...doesn't work that way. It's not about saying "if it fails the Bechdel test, IT'S ANTI-FEMINIST AND MUST BE SHUNNED," it's about saying "damn, there's a lot of media that fail the Bechdel test. We should do something about that." And even if you think something has sketchy gender roles, you can love it while still admitting it has flaws. Hell, one of my favorite books and movies is 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, which doesn't even have any women.

[atelierlune.livejournal.com]

So, one is not a feminist or is a bad feminist if one watches or otherwise patronizes films that do not follow the Bechdel Test?

Uh, no.

[rabbitucker.livejournal.com]

Okay, so I already went and searched DogPile (http://www.dogpile.com/dogpile/ws/results/Web/!22bedchel%20test!22/1/417/TopNavigation/Relevance/iq=true/zoom=off/_iceUrlFlag=7?_IceUrl=true) (Which combines Google, Yahoo!, MSN Search, and Ask.com), and I searched Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=bedchel+test). Both really don't give me much in the way of an explanation.

What the hell is the Bedchel Test?

[kleine-aster.livejournal.com]

Haha, wow, ALL my favourite movies fail that test. The Godfather? One Flew Over The Cuckoo´s Nest? The Shining? Apocalypse Now?

Well, at least there´s still Mulholland Drive ...