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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2023-10-19 06:19 pm

[ SECRET POST #6131 ]


⌈ Secret Post #6131 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2023-10-20 09:11 am (UTC)(link)
Yep, this is a general phenomenon. Whenever you have a overclass and an underclass, membership in the overclass is very contingent on removing any visible signs of the underclass. Even "one drop" (especially in the racial case, but also applies to gender) often disqualifies you from membership in the overclass. This obviously is terrible for men as any deviation from masculinity is seen as bad/lower/deviant and punished, but it affects how women are seen and interpreted too, where even a small amount of femininity in women is latched onto and considered way more important than any "masculine" traits that person/character might also have.

It also affects what people consider to be "androgynous" -- I've definitely noticed that "androgynous" often means wearing men's clothing and hair styles, but with a more "pretty" (or "feminine") touch, not the opposite way around (wearing women's hair/clothing but with a "buff" or "masculine" touch). The second someone wears a dress/skirt or high heels or styles their hair in what's considered a woman's haircut, they are considered outright feminine, not androgynous. "Gender neutral" in society means "not female" because the overclass (male) is "default" and femininity is "deviant."

(Anonymous) 2023-10-20 09:44 am (UTC)(link)
I'd say it more depends on what "masculine" trait the woman has. Some "masculine" traits are praised to an extent in some women, but the wrong one will have the most otherwise feminine woman perceived as too masculine, even if the people doing it aren't aware that they dislike her having that trait because it's seen as masculine. For an example of the latter, if a man habitually speaks in a certain tone of voice he'll be seen as trustworthy and authoritative, someone you can rely on; but if a woman uses the exact same tone, she'll be seen as pushy, overbearing, a mood-killer, and to some people a subtle threat. What's a good quality in a man, and can therefore be seen as masculine, is often a bad quality in a woman.

For an example more people will be conscious of, a woman could wear the classiest feminine dresses and makeup to give her that "natural beauty" look, be the kindest softest most demure and well-mannered lady you've ever met... if her one masculine quality is being good at a sport, that would be fine and praiseworthy (with even the caveat that she shouldn't be too good, like not better than every man she plays against). But if her one masculine quality is that she doesn't shave? Hairy manbeast. So yep. It all depends on the masculine trait she has.