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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2023-10-26 05:51 pm

[ SECRET POST #6138 ]


⌈ Secret Post #6138 ⌋

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[Adventure Time: Fionna and Cake]



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[Blood of Youth]



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[Arknights]



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Re: Is there anything that's beyond the pale?

(Anonymous) 2023-10-27 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
This is long and rambly. Read it or ignore it. Either way is fine.

I think there's a thing called self-defense, which is justified when someone is actively threatening your life.

But in defending yourself, is it necessary to brutalize? Can you stop your oppressor without beating the shit out of them? Can you make them stop hurting others without resorting to killing them? Do you want to? Do you feel like you have a choice? I admit there are times it may not be possible, but if you can avoid bloodshed, would you choose that?

Why do you think the roles will be reversed? Are you scared of something?

If you think of the oppressed as people who are abused, think about the numbers there. How many people get abused. How many gain the upper hand and fight off their abusers. How many take the opportunity to get revenge on their abusers. How many go on to abuse others. How many turn inward and abuse themselves instead. How many don't do any of that, and simply want to be treated as equals in a society and live peacefully.

I think a lot of people in the world are good (or at least decent). Yes, we all have the ability to be absolute shitbags (myself included) to one another, especially if we get carried away in groups without stopping to think (group mentality, mob mentality). But is it likely? I think most people just want to live their lives and not hurt others, or be hurt themselves.

I think oppression comes from fear, the fear of being subjugated themselves, because there are those in the world who believe life is a zero sum game, and to be happy, they must fuck others over. Of course, some of them can't accomplish that by themselves, so they must recruit others. Usually manipulating them into dehumanizing other people not a threat to them. That's a pretty awful thing, I think. I don't think anyone has the right to oppress anyone else. I like the idea that society is a contract, and to be a part of it, you must abide by the rules of decency, like not being a fascist fuck (for example). Break enough of the rules, or at least the worst ones, and you aren't covered by the contract. Does this mean you deserve to be oppressed? No, but if you act out in a way that is harmful to others, you should be punished/cast out. And I also think that if you escalated to violence (while harming others), that the others have a right to defend themselves against you.

You asked if anything is beyond the pale? I think several things, but one of the worst is to not see another person as human. Yes, even if that person is the worst piece of shit on the planet. To consider another person as not being worthy of basic rights, of not having the right to food, water, and shelter, of not having the right to bodily autonomy, to be subjected to cruel or torturous treatment against their will, to be killed over unfounded fears. I know some folks joke or vent about how some horrible person deserves (sharp object, possibly rusted) shoved up (random orifice) and I don't judge for that, it's just blowing off steam. But I honestly think most folks couldn't bring themselves to do that to another human, not unless they were coerced or pressured in some terrible way.

Anytime you're oppressing someone, you're oppressing someone. Two wrongs don't make a right.

How can oppression end? That's a good goddamn question, and I don't know if there's a good answer. Move toward ending it, I guess. Start with yourself. Check yourself. If you find yourself in a group that's getting into that mentality, speak up, even though it's hard and you may find yourself cast out. Find folks who don't agree with oppression of any kind and are dedicated to better solutions to a terrible issue. I don't think there's a perfect way.

Re: Is there anything that's beyond the pale?

(Anonymous) 2023-10-27 05:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean, most slaves tried to escape, not kill their masters.

But if your master raped your daughter, I'd say he needs killin' and I wouldn't even feel bad about it.