[ SECRET POST #6153 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6153 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


All secrets today have spoiler/content warnings attached.



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01. [SPOILERS for Slay the Princess]




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02. [SPOILERS for Pact]




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03. [SPOILERS for Final Fantasy 16]




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04. [SPOILERS for Our Flag Means Death]




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05. [WARNING for discussion of violence, transphobia, abuse, child abuse; Ezra Miller]




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06. [WARNING for discussion of RL war/genocide/etc]



























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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Our Flag Means Death is FINE, but the insistence a lot of fans have on treating it like a) the first show to ever have queer people in it, b) a serious dramatic/ romantic series, and c) a masterpiece, is confounding.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I mean from fandom osmosis alone, I kept thinking "well maybe I should check out this new gay pirate show". Forrunately I found out it was a cringe comedy show before actually watching it because that's my most loathed genre of all time.

[(Anonymous)]

This. I had a friend, who was a few episodes ahead of me, tell me she was sooo excited for me to get to the end of season 1 because I would love love love it. What she meant was I would be excited by a gay kiss, and I was pretty underwhelmed (I also watch Thai BL). Two dudes kissing is not some amazing unexpected thing on tv anymore.

Like, it's fine. I had a hard time getting through the first few episodes because Stede tripped my second hand embarrassment so hard, but I really enjoyed Blackbeard. But it's not special among queer shows, and it's not pushing the boundaries of Great TV. It's just a cute little queer pirate show. The End.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you think this is one of those things where people have trouble seeing that some things actually have changed? Like, they've been hearing "there's not any/not enough LGBTQ representation" for so long that they have trouble seeing all the representation that's there.

It's weird. I saw 'In & Out' in the theaters with my grandmother. 'The Object of My Affection' came out around the same time, and 'Will & Grace' showed up on TV and became a big hit. So there was all this media about the relationships between straight women and gay men - straight women having to come to grips with the fact that the guys they were into could never be into them; gay men having to come to grips with the fact that they weren't into women; friendships between straight women and gay men being different, in kind of a positive way.

At the same time, ‘Xena’ was on, and they couldn’t come right and say that Xena and Gabriella were together, but we all knew. And Tara showed up on ‘Buffy,’ and Willow fell in love with her. And then there was ‘Queer as Folk,’ and over in Prestige TV world, ‘The Wire’ had a lesbian main character.

In the midst of all this, there were stereotypes, and there was queer-baiting, and there was the prohibition against showing a same-sex kiss in certain outlets. It was not perfect. But nonetheless, I grew up in this media environment where, at least from my perspective, I was constantly getting the message that gay people were normal, and that they had a particular set of issues/concerns. That message has only gotten louder over time. I mean, corporations actively court LGBTQ folks as a demographic, now.

I’m not completely sure where I’m going with this except to say that I think a lot of people underestimate and haven’t noticed the extent to which LGBTQ rep has grown and has been normalized over the past 25 years or so. For some reason, it still feels to them like Reagan is president or something, so a show like ‘Our Flag Means Death’ seems unbelievably groundbreaking.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I think it depends on what kind of media they were watching before. Unless they were actively seeking out queer media, OFMD might be the most mainstream recent example of it they've seen since Will and Grace or Brokeback Mountain. And OFMD does have something those old examples don't: Gay main characters who actually get to have a romance and live to the end.

I definitely seek out queer media, because het stuff bores the shit out of me, even if almost all queer media has no representation for me either. My friend, however, watches lots of straight romances. She doesn't seek out queer media, so she thought OFMD was a fun pirate comedy and the kiss at the end of S1 seemed amazing to her. She knew I was into queer media, so she gushed about it to me. I didn't have the heart to tell her that all the foreign shows I've been rec'ing to her that she's ignored have, like, full on queer romance and sex. She's also tried rec'ing The Last of Us tv show to me because of the one episode of queer romance. She's a little confused, but she got the spirit.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. I liked first season well enough even though comedy isn't exactly my thing but I was in the mood. But all the ridiculous meta posts (I think about character that died (?)), all the gushing, all the "this is the best show ever the first ever to queer omg" made me block the tag and I am still didn't watch the second season