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⌈ Secret Post #6197 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

I think First Person Preferers and Third Person Preferers should just team up to fight against Second Person Preferers, because they're obviously the wrongest.

[(Anonymous)]

This.

[(Anonymous)]

It's a matter of taste

What is the point of arguing over something that's a matter of taste

[(Anonymous)]

I dunno it feels like it's more like people just trying to say that first person is a thing that can work and should at least be allowed to exist. I don't want it to take over because other ways of writing are valid but I think it at least gets a place at the table.

[(Anonymous)]

The kiddie table, perhaps, given its abuse by modern YA writers and fanficcers.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd argue YA writers and fanficcers are using first-person in exactly the most appropriate way -- to make the point that the POV character is, in fact, the author herself.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think that's what first person is meant to be though. It's a story from the perspective of a character.

I know you're probably snarking about self inserts but first person doesn't mean author insert and that point of view has led people to misunderstand other novels in first person as being a statement by the author rather than the narrator.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think that's what first person is meant to be though.

That is precisely why I said 'the most appropriate way' and not 'as it is meant to be'.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

That is an extremely fine distinction - some would say practically nonexistent

[(Anonymous)]

The most appropriate way... in your opinion. Because no. Hard disagree.

[(Anonymous)]

Nice casual sexism with "herself." As if men haven't been writing obvious self inserts in third-person for centuries.

[(Anonymous)]

No-one is talking about centuries of male power fantasies. We're talking about modern YA and fanfic, two famously female-dominated fields.

But hey, nice virtue signaling.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah-- some people who hate first person are SO adamant. Like I've seen BAD first person but it doesn't erase good first person? And honestly if writing bad first person gets people writing, I think THAT should be out there, too! I don't want to be the Writing Police any more than I want someone else to be

[philstar22]

I don't think first person is inherently bad. I'm sure there is some great writing in first person. It just doesn't work for me. For me, it feels like the character is telling me their story. And therefore I have trouble immersing myself in the world. With reading I like to fully invest in the story and sink my mind into it. And first person makes me feel withdrawn from the story. It jut doesn't work for me personally. But that doesn't make it bad writing.

[meadowphoenix]

i don't think unreliable narrators work as optimally in any other perspective as in 1st person, but i also feel like arguing about literary perspectives like arguing about video game perspectives...they obviously aren't doing the same thing, just argue about the thing they're trying to do.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you can pull off unreliable narrators with third person free indirect discourse type things. You do have to work at it a little more. But I think when done well, I actually prefer it to 1st person unreliable narrator.

[meadowphoenix]

haha, i disagree completely. i never get more annoyed at self-deluding characters than in third indirect. there's too much author in that. where have you seen it work well?

[(Anonymous)]

I’ve never seen people defend first person. Usually it’s people saying they don’t like it because third person is better.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, it's just a really weird thing to criticize from a writing perspective. If you just don't like it for your own preferential reasons, that's one thing, but there's been a rise in people saying it's a "bad" format to use and trying to make that make sense from some pseudo-informed academic standpoint. And that should be met with defense, because it's just not correct, and not an opinion.

[(Anonymous)]

The

whole concept?

I don't think you can meaningfully criticize an entire mode of communication.

[tabaqui]

One of my favorite novels is 'Brideshead Revisited', written in first person POV. I adore it.
All of Dick Francis' wonderful mystery novels are first person, and I love them.

In fanfic, though, I almost always back-button out of it. I think it's mostly a matter of skill, and often 'first person' in fanfic is used most often as 'author's voice/self insert' and it shows much too much.

[(Anonymous)]

Personally, it always surprises me how adamantly some folks here hate first person. And then, quite often, they mention that they are talking exclusively about fanfic and I am like, Oh.

[(Anonymous)]

It's very telling that they don't even mention they're talking about fanfic. Really shows how little they read anything else, to the point where they forget it's even a distinction that should be made.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't see how it's any different from people seeing any opinion they disagree with and saying 'actually I feel x'-- especially here.