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⌈ Secret Post #6200 ⌋

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Comments

[meadowphoenix]

look not to diminish society's love of misogyny but you've got to be a little honest about where such critiques are coming from, which were not all from the same place and it frankly denotes a lack of critical thought to dump them all together.

critiques about barbie were in fact mostly critiques about the patriarchy from feminists. toys are actually a very good way to see how messages are pushed to children, because toys require a parent's buy-in and therefore marketing is reflective of adult values that are pushed to kids...including misogyny. you have to understand that what is sold and marketed to children is 100% part of the patriarchy right?

critiques about twilight were sometimes critiquing patriarchy and sometimes not. the critiques from feminists (who it would be frankly insane to cover with "society" but for some reason people always pretend feminists have strong-armed society into agreeing with them because those people exist in more liberal spaces and think that's the norm) were about abusive relationships and had almost no real play except the internet and were post-hoc conversations about how women were talking about romance amongst themselves. so not about what would happen, but about what was actually happening.

the critiques from society were more about romance in general, were the more conventional critiques on women's fiction that have existed forever, aka, if women read romances they will have too high a standard in romance for the men that currently exist. that's what most of the wider social conversation was and it was absolutely bullshit.

critiques about elvis mostly were conventional misogyny. those were just critiques about the buying power of women and racism about black people. feminists were critiquing elvis, but they didn't have nearly the audience.

and i gotta say, the fact that your perspective mixed all of this up into one big pro-patriarchy "society" heap really proves the power of patriarchal messaging.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT
About Barbie: I recently found out that the origin of Barbie's design came from a sex doll intended for grown men to purchase in Germany.
Like...I think it's very important to talk about how Barbie is presented as a child's toy (aimed at girls specifically) and how it affects us (as society, as women raised to want a Barbie, as adults getting toys to give the children in our lives - even as a non-parent)

Seriously, as a child my mom would not allow me to own a Barbie doll. She felt it would influence me into being shallow and looks obsessed. For the majority of my life I was sad my mom denied me access to a part girlhood that seemed like most girls were granted.
After hearing about Barbie's orgins...I completely understand why we have had such huge discourse around the doll and what it means to present this toy as the moniker for girlhood in America (perhaps less so in past 20-ish years).
And it's good that Barbie has gone through a lot of changes and that we can have nuanced discourse around the toy and the brand, but we can't simply brush off concerns about how this toy affects girls and the ways they see themselves and other girls/women.
FTR - If your child wants a Barbie doll, buy them a Barbie doll. It's up to you/the caregiver to help navigate how the child sees themselves and help them boost their self esteem without making it about their looks.

[meadowphoenix]

i mean i doubt that the men who bought lilli were using the 12in doll as a sex toy lmao. but it was clearly a dress-up doll, and its adult form was what made it attractive as a product to handler, who was watching her kid play with babydolls as if they were adults. at any rate it was still marketed for girls to be fashionable, and we can critique that social push!

and there are good things you can say about it; what made barbie so popular for so long imo was that it followed the messages girls were already getting about their adult lives even as those messages changed. but i agree in that how popular consumer products affects and reflects our lives is pretty important to talk about.