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⌈ Secret Post #6203 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I take a lot of solace in the fact that ten, fifteen, twenty years from now, kids who loved the movies will give standing ovations to the stars of the sequels. While the people who hated the films look on with shocked Pikachu faces wondering why Kelly Marie Tran and John Boyega are being cheered at for over a minute straight. It still brings a smile to my face remembering the tears in Hayden Christensen's eyes when that happened to him.

[(Anonymous)]

I can see it for John Boyega because he was thrown under the bus but there was no point to Kelly Marie Tran’s character. How she was treated was abhorrent and unforgivable! But I don’t see her being lauded in twenty years because the base criticism of her character will still stand.

[(Anonymous)]

You know, one of the wonderful things about having a child has been getting to see Jar Jar through his eyes. Like most, I hated the character back when 'The Phantom Menace' came out; now I understand that it's because the character was written and acted (Ahmed Best said that he used a voice he'd make to amuse his young nieces and nephews) for people younger than I was, and that's okay. Hell, not only is it okay, it's kind of great!

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of people didn't hate the movie for these two characters though, they hated it for the plot, the pacing, the tired gotchas and overall Johnson's smug disregard for a huge part of the fanbase.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean no disrespect or aggression, but let's not pretend certain fans didn't have the same complaints about the prequels and then use their dissatisfaction to harm two actors from the films: Jake Lloyd (a literal child) and Ahmed Best. Both had their lives severely damaged by endless online and real-life harassment by some of those fans. Fans who didn't seem to know how boundaries or human decency worked.

Hayden didn't get it as bad as Best and certainly not as badly as Jake Lloyd, but he was maligned horribly for years.

For the record, I wasn't smiling when Hayden got that standing ovation: I was crying with him. I hope Jake Lloyd and Ahmed Best get similar vindication from Star Wars fans someday. The same goes for Kelly Marie Tran, John Boyega, and every actor who performed a role in the sequels. Throw Rian Johnson in there, too!

[(Anonymous)]

Jake Lloyd I knew about but Ahmed Best is a surprise. My understanding has always been that he took criticism of Jar Jar personally, not that he was harassed. He gave a whole talk about internalising it on some panel ages ago.

[(Anonymous)]

I doubt Ahmed went untouched by the worst parts of Star Wars fandom. The man thought about committing suicide because of the backlash. It sickens me he had to endure that because the voice he created to entertain children was used in a movie made to entertain children.

[(Anonymous)]

Per his own account, no one was talking about him, they were talking about a character and he took it personally. It’s awful that he felt suicidal about it but that was because of his own problems, not fans targeting him like they did poor Jake Lloyd.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know what account you are referring to, but in the BBC article I just read (published in 2018) to be sure remembered correctly, Best was very clear there was a terrible backlash from the media, and the media he referred to wasn't trade magazines. He took hits for Jar-Jar being seen as a racist caricature; a character Best helped develop with George Lucas. Fans came up to Best and told him he killed their childhoods. There were death threats.

Death threats.

If none of that doesn't warrant taking the backlash "personally," I don't know what does.

A lot could have changed between 2018 and now, and maybe Ahmed found peace with what happened to him in that time, but in that BBC article, Best said what he went through because of Star Wars fandom drove him to the consider suicide.

The interpretation you insist on pushing is minimizing Best's trauma. It's also veering close to victim blaming.

[(Anonymous)]

You’re doing exactly what he originally did. This is why American actors really need some professional training like in the rest of the world. The criticism was about his character, not him. He took it personally. You’re taking it personally on his behalf long after he’s learned not to do that.
I can’t find any mention of death threats in any of the interviews or panels I’ve watched. It’s why I was so surprised to see him mentioned in the same context as Jake Lloyd, who really did receive death threats and was bullied online and for the rest of his school years by his classmates for “not being a good actor.” The criticism was about him, not his character, plus he was a child, and he was getting severely bullied in school as a direct result of playing young Anakin.
Ahmed Best wasn’t subjected to anything like that, not even close. People hated (and still hate) the character he played. And partly because of his involvement in developing it, he took everything said about his character as a personal affront. That’s not healthy and thankfully he sought help for that. But you have something to learn from him if you think acknowledging that is victim blaming.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT
Go ask for a hug from a human being. To me it sounds like you need real help. I'm not saying it own your ass, literally, I think you need help.

[(Anonymous)]

Ayrt
I never did say or pretend that these people don't exist, not that they are vile. Its just that a lot of TLJ stands are very quick to lob the whole "you're racist and just hate there are POC in Star Wars" at anyone who dares to criticise the downright shitty way the characters were written, and especially in Finn's case, how he was demoted from deuteragonist to dumbass errand boy whose entire plotline could have been cut without changing anything about the movie.
And Rian Johnson doesn't deserve any standing ovations, at least not for TLJ. He's too far up his own ass already and thinks he can do no wrong.