[ SECRET POST #6228 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6228 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

That drives me nuts cause it's a fundamental misunderstanding of what constitutes manliness. Nie Huaisang is a common type of manly for that culture and time. It was part of the specifically gentlemanly skills to be well groomed and dressed, know music, be artistic, have good calligraphy, etc. But he's always the one being trans or NB in fic because he's tiny and passive in comparison to his brother, which is a very western reading and also I think reveals a lot of the inherent biases of these authors when it comes to trans and nb people. I'll be interested when it's Nie Mingjue who is trans.

[(Anonymous)]

I was gonna say, a lot of the really bad headcanons I've seen in this fandom have come from western fans who 1. don't know anything about the culture these costume dramas are pulling from(with some TV show embellishment for sure) and 2. have never seen another Chinese(or even Korean) show ever in their lives and are just slapping western social norms onto these shows and calling it a day. It's... at my most generous just incredibly odd and at my least generous: low-key racist because they don't even try to understand how another culture's media narratives work.

[(Anonymous)]

Or 3. Haven't read a history book where in ancient civilizations (at least most of them), women didn't have access to education, vote, opinion, etc. Even in Mulan there was a danger of her to be killed and not by the Huns, but by the general himself and for being a woman trying to fit herself in "masculine stuff" to save her father.

Yes, there are C-Dramas like "The Romance of the Tiger and the Rose" where it's shown a part of China under women control, but it was a show inside a show, nothing related to history.

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AYRT

I don't understand people who do this. I went to non-western shows because I was tired AF with the same tropes being repeated over and over again, and I wanted new stuff. It means that I get to learn all sorts of history and culture that brought about these new-to-me tropes. Like... people, if you didn't want to learn this stuff, why are you watching this? You're missing a good 40-60% of any non-western show by viewing it through a western lens! (And it leads to suuuuuper bad takes.)

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT: And is interesting because in "The Fatal Journey" movie it was shown that both MingJue and Huaisang complimented each other in the clan: MingJue had the force but Huaisang was quite intelligent and manipulative when he want to be (as we could see in the ending). Leaving him like a fragile and baby trans or NB shows they didn't understand nothing about Huaisang: He didn't want to fight not only because he was a brat at first, but because he knew the dangers of using a sable in the Nie Clan, so he liked a quiet life than having a Qi deviation like his ancestors and even his older brother had.

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AYRT

Yeah, it's like people kept their first (very western) impression of him and didn't actually take in the new information that was revealed at the climax of the book (or the show/one of the movies). Which is ironic, considering the whole point of the book...

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT: And is funny, because in The Untamed you didn't connect 1+1 at first, until you rewatch it and saw the man holding the fan and paying was Huaisang himself. I understand it was for the plot, but Ji Li really looked amazing in that attire.

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DA.

I never watched the movie, mostly because I couldn't find it anywhere I could watch, but even from watching the show I clearly got that the main reason Huaisang wouldn't take up his sect's cultivation route is because it's fucking dangerous, he saw what it was doing to his brother, and he wanted none of that.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT: You can find the movie in Viki. But yeah, Huaisang even had to act like he didn't know nothing so people didn't have to ask him to fight when he had to be the leader sect. Qi deviation was quite dangerous, and he knew it.

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AYRT.

Oh thank you anon! But yeah, all of his 'oh I'm just SO useless' thing was an act so that people would assume he was too spoiled/dumb to learn how to fight and yet I've seen so many people in the fandom just take his act as who he really is and it's like... the shit? Does the last act of the show not exist or something??

[(Anonymous)]

And even then, when he, LWJ and WWX are trapped in the temple, you can see him... fighting! Not with a sable but he could avoid some zombies and use a stick to push them. He's an interesting character and I don't know what bothers me more: The trans HCs or the lack of merch.

[(Anonymous)]

All of my money for trans!Nie Mingjue fic ngl. I would 100% love to read that.