[ SECRET POST #6242 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6242 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Slow Horses]



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[Fallen London]



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[(Anonymous)]

If you mean both sides were equally underdeveloped and silly, yes, we agree. I don't think T'Challa was unhinged so much as someone who had just lost his father to a terrorist attack, and certainly less unhinged than Iron Man.

[(Anonymous)]

This, honestly. That movie was such a letdown after the mastery that was Winter Soldier.

[(Anonymous)]

It really was. Winter Soldier was amazing, and Civil War was a mess.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, it's not like the source material was a masterpiece of consistency and coherence. (Did give us a couple of great Nextwave jokes though.)

[(Anonymous)]

That's... certainly a take on T'Challa. I thought that, for his introduction into the MCU, he was well rounded and interesting, and his motives made sense.

[(Anonymous)]

I think both sides had points, but I don't think it was a very good movie. Should there be oversight of the Avengers? Yes. Given the clusterfuck that was the World Security Council and Hydra!SHIELD, would I trust the accords if I was not involved in the negotiations? Nope.

I think there were a lot of missteps with this storyline, though it probably would have been worse if they'd gone with the comic Civil War. I don't quite understand how Wanda got so much of the blame when there was an actual bad guy who caused the explosion that she tried to divert. I don't get how I was supposed to believe Tony somehow trusted politicians enough, especially Ross, to just go along with some of the stuff, even if he was letting his emotional reactions cloud his judgement. I don't get how anyone who was a proponent of human rights would have signed off on the black site prison. I don't get why Steve didn't even try for something different. And I know the big fight was part of the point of the movie, but I though everyone involved was stupid for being involved (maybe not Peter, I very much doubt he grasped the whole situation).

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you.

It's so bad. Such a shame.

[(Anonymous)]

Successful doesn't mean good, and you can definitely put Civil War as a turning point for the MCU. I think the main issue was just that it had a gimmick to achieve, and to do that characters had to be dumb. Ultimately, both sides do have a point - a group of extranational vigilantes operating with no oversight is a bad thing, the Accords were a human rights disaster, moreso for going beyond just the Avengers, and apparently including indefinite detention without trial. And each side has to ignore that the other has point, so they're both in favour of doing the bad stuff. It also doesn't help that Tony repeatedly learns lessons in the Iron Man movies that are undone for crossover movies.

You're right in that it encouraged fans to take sides, and just based on the text of the movies, there was never really a reason for fans to clamour of Tony and Steve to eventually reconcile. In the MCU, they were never really friends, just colleagues who didn't really like each other. And with something as big as the MCU, this kind of thing takes a while to do damage - it has a lot of inertia, and fans will stick with it even after it starts going downhill, because maybe it's just a blip? But really, it was just a sign of things to come - too many heroes mean that leads become secondary characters, no one gets enough time, and storylines from solo films don't pay off.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're spot on with the characters being dumbed down for the plot.

[(Anonymous)]

I can forgive movies for being bad. MCU movies are bad all the time! But I'll never forgive what this movie did to the fandom. It really was the beginning of the end.

[(Anonymous)]

Civil War was a mess for sure. I'm pissed they wasted a Cap movie on that hot garbage. I watched Winter Soldier like 1000x & have so far watched Civil War once. One day, I'll rewatch the entirety of the MCU, but. . . that day is not today, lol.