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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2024-02-07 09:33 pm

[ SECRET POST #6242 ]


⌈ Secret Post #6242 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Fallen London]



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(Anonymous) 2024-02-08 01:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Successful doesn't mean good, and you can definitely put Civil War as a turning point for the MCU. I think the main issue was just that it had a gimmick to achieve, and to do that characters had to be dumb. Ultimately, both sides do have a point - a group of extranational vigilantes operating with no oversight is a bad thing, the Accords were a human rights disaster, moreso for going beyond just the Avengers, and apparently including indefinite detention without trial. And each side has to ignore that the other has point, so they're both in favour of doing the bad stuff. It also doesn't help that Tony repeatedly learns lessons in the Iron Man movies that are undone for crossover movies.

You're right in that it encouraged fans to take sides, and just based on the text of the movies, there was never really a reason for fans to clamour of Tony and Steve to eventually reconcile. In the MCU, they were never really friends, just colleagues who didn't really like each other. And with something as big as the MCU, this kind of thing takes a while to do damage - it has a lot of inertia, and fans will stick with it even after it starts going downhill, because maybe it's just a blip? But really, it was just a sign of things to come - too many heroes mean that leads become secondary characters, no one gets enough time, and storylines from solo films don't pay off.

(Anonymous) 2024-02-08 03:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I think you're spot on with the characters being dumbed down for the plot.

(Anonymous) 2024-02-08 03:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I can forgive movies for being bad. MCU movies are bad all the time! But I'll never forgive what this movie did to the fandom. It really was the beginning of the end.