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⌈ Secret Post #6246 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

nayrt It absolutely does not.

[(Anonymous)]

It absolutely does. And in any case, refusing to engage with the output of an entire country because you don't like the way they speak is messed up.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I don't like the way german sounds, so I don't watch german tv. Come at me, bro.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure why you think that's some sort of gotcha.

[(Anonymous)]

You're claiming that someone not liking the way Korean sounds means that they're racist for not wanting to listen to something they don't like. I don't like german. Please, call me racist for not watching german tv because I don't like the german language. If you don't, you're a hypocrite. Because it's the EXACT same scenario.

Germans and I are both considered white, by the way. So go ahead. You can either be wrong or be wrong and a hypocrite. Your choice.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, it's the exact same scenario, which is why it doesn't make sense that you think it's a gotcha. It's also messed up. In this case, it's an ethnicity-based prejudice rather than a race-based one (and only due to how we're specifically used to the construction of race. There are people who think Germans are a separate race from Slavs, Celts, etc, all people that we would consider "white"), but it's still a prejudice.

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, I see. You don't know what the word prejudice means. It means an adverse judgment or opinion formed unfairly or without knowledge of the facts. I took german in college. I have judged that I do not like the way german sounds, fairly and with knowledge of the facts. So it's not a prejudice.

It's also not ethnicity based. I have said nothing about the german culture or society. I just don't like listening to the language. You could say I'm wrong about not liking it, but that's a completely subjective opinion. So I guess you're going with just wrong. Good for you!

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think that necessarily tracks at all, as knowledge and facts can be selectively applied, and influenced by underlying biases. As an example, many of those who have a negative opinion of Black people support their judgment with knowledge and facts about crime statistics, disparate rates of achievement, measured differences in IQ, etc. We do not say, "ah, those people aren't prejudiced, because they're basing their judgment on knowledge and facts." We know that they are instead using facts (most of which are entirely divorced from their context) to justify a prejudice.

On a side note, I notice that you consistently refrain from capitalizing "German." There's a typing style that mostly does away with capitals, but you don't seem to be using that style, as other words are capitalized appropriately. Is there a reason for this?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I don't like german. I thought we went over this?

Also, it's quite obvious to me that you've never taken a linguistics course in your life, and probably only know about ally-ship and racism from the internet. Cause seriously. When I say that I don't like listening to the german language, you immediately went to accusing me of being ethno-biased even though I've said nothing other than what my ears hear.

I also hate country music. Tell me what prejudice caused that.
I also hate nails down a chalk board. And high pitched beepy sounds. What prejudice are these dislikes coming from? Cause they're all the same, man.

[(Anonymous)]

DA
Gotta say I like your argument.
Many people don't like French or other languages.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I like listening to French, but you could not pay me to try to pronounce it. XD

[(Anonymous)]

Anon, they just said that they refuse to capitalize a language because they don't like it, while simultaneously saying they're not prejudiced. They're a nonsensical person.

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, someone else who doesn't know what "prejudice" means.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, they have a personal grudge, learning it for a few years and still disliking it. Or was it another anon?
I thing German lyrics slay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sjb36VXmIw

[(Anonymous)]

Classism is frequently cited as an unconscious reason for disliking country music. Yeah most country stars are mega rich now, but its poor rural origins are still apparent in the way the music sounds.

[(Anonymous)]

Jokes on you, it's modern country music I hate. The old stuff was much better.

[(Anonymous)]

So, your rationale for not capitalizing German is that you don't like it? But that's not indicative of prejudice?

Have you been trolling this whole time?

[(Anonymous)]

So.... you have nothing of substance to disagree with my actual argument.... Just admit you were wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

It's pretty common to be taught in any linguistics class that German is considered a "harsh-sounding" language to English-speakers because the frequency of objectively hard consonants is higher than English. And in turn, English is also considered harsh-sounding to speakers of Romance languages (Italian, Spanish, French, etc.) because those languages have an even lower frequency of hard consonants. It's a very simplified explanation, and a generalization, but it is a universal fact of linguistics that some sounds carry connotations, in general. So it could be a sound-based bias rather than an ethnicity-based one, as could OP's aversion to Korean.

[(Anonymous)]

At what point does a sound-based bias bleed over into our perception of the people who use those sounds to speak?

[(Anonymous)]

DA

When we start treating the actual people who use those sounds as less than because they use those sounds. No one is doing that here. They're just not watching something they don't want to watch....

[(Anonymous)]

That seems like a distinction without a difference. Their work is being treated as less worthy precisely because they use certain sounds when they speak. The OP doesn't want to watch these works not because the works are uninteresting or lack merit, but because they don't like the way the people who make them sound. And that isn't something that those people can help, and it isn't something that can be separated from their culture. Language is imbedded in culture. It is intrinsic to it. It's why it's such a big deal that Indigenous people have had their languages forcibly taken from them, why they work so hard to keep those languages from dying out.

Let's put it another way: OP would only be able to accept visual media made by Korean people if they were to forego their own language and speak one more to OP's liking. How is that not a kind of chauvinism?

[(Anonymous)]

Their work is not being treated as less worthy, OP literally praises their work in the secret. Their work is just less desirable by OP for purely subjective reasons which OP acknowledges.

Let's put it another way: Music is intrinsic to culture as well as language. It isn't something that can be separated from it. Cultural stories are told in not only the actual music, but in the music styles of the culture. Culture is literally expressed by and lives in the music. OP says they don't care for the sound of any of the traditional instruments of a certain culture. You call them racist for not liking the sound of specific instruments.

That's literally your argument. How is not wanting to listen to something you don't like chauvinism?? Are people not allowed to have preferences for anything unless they meet your moral standards? Must OP run their preferences for painting styles by you as well for them to be acceptably non-racist?

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't that too heavy-handed to be an argument? OP is one person in a world of billions. They're not oppressing Koreans for not liking the way the language sounds and avoiding their media. Their dislike of the language hurts exactly zero actual Korean people. If the government of the country suddenly decided to ban the language and force its citizens to speak only English for some reason that would be something to worry about but a single person who does not like the sound of a language and keeps from watching things in that language... The only possible damage is to the person, who might be missing out on something they might otherwise have loved, but I think they're aware of that and accept that.

Is it a pity that people develop a distaste for how some other languages sound, like the anon who dislikes German? It is, but not for the speakers of that language. And even so, nobody should just force themselves to start liking something because someone on the internet thinks it's racist to dislike sounds.