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Yeah I've had to blacklist so many tags and shit on twitter and tumblr because it went from completely reasonable criticism of the Israeli government and what they're doing, to treating any and all Israeli civilian deaths as 'not an issue' because of where they were born, to lumping Israeli civilians in with their government so that they can hate an entire population for being 'evil', to the kind of anti-semetic talk that racists use, to attacking non-Isreali Jewish people, to lumping all Jewish people in with Isreal and branding them all as 'evil' to justify any harassment and violence happening to them.

So much of the online left have really shown who they are and it's horrifying. It's not about the actual victims: every civilian in Palestine(and the Israelis who have died), it's about them finally having a 'good' reason to hate all Jewish people.

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>> to treating any and all Israeli civilian deaths as 'not an issue' because of where they were born, to lumping Israeli civilians in with their government so that they can hate an entire population for being 'evil'
>>So much of the online left have really shown who they are and it's horrifying.
>>It's not about the actual victims: every civilian in Palestine(and the Israelis who have died), it's about them finally having a 'good' reason to hate all Jewish people.

I think it's the same thing that happened with Russian people when Russia invaded Ukraine. Everyone began to hate on innocent Russian people who actually hate their own government (especially queer people). That was fucking egregious and ignorant, too.
This is I'm not convinced fully that many people on the left are maliciously and consciously antisemitic, but a lot of them are at least complicit in the spread of hatred toward Jewish people.

I think that the internet make participating to politics or commenting to these incredibly complicated issues way to accessible (and even expected from some public figures), so even well meaning people just fall into pitfalls of spreading misinformation, hatred and even actually end up justifying genocides. Even if they actually would've never ever thought something like that before entering their echo chamber of choice.

This is actually pretty scary to me. I'm not a particularly intelligent person, but I try to educate myself to the best of my possibilities before saying my opinion regarding complicated issues like genocides and wars. The "internet" is just dumbing down all the discourse. I'm very worried.

It was that way from the beginning. People said that October 7th was "beautiful." They said that "there are no civilians in Israel," so it didn't matter that children had been killed and women had been raped.

People, by and large, have no problem with prejudice and with committing atrocities, and this is regardless what side of the political spectrum they're on. They just don't like it when their side is the one getting fucked.

again, those horrendous opinions are not shared by everyone on the left. i'm a liberal and i want Hamas hunted down and slaughtered for the inhumane crimes they committed against women, children and others. whoever was saying it was "beautiful" is either some airhead who doesn't know anything and has checked out of reality or a nazi asshole in disguise knowingly spreading chaos.

that said, I also recognize how hard it is to kill Hamas when they use innocent Palestinian women and children as human meat shields and the Israeli government seems to just be mowing down everyone in their path.

let's not forget that the Israeli government knew what was going to happen on 10/6 and ignored it and that they've also been funding Hamas to ensure that a real Palestinian government would never be put in place, all to avoid a two-state solution which is what is desperately needed here. i hope Israelis will come out to vote against Netanyahu at the next opportunity that they get (assuming they will get one at all).

Oh yes, it is not my position that Israel is without blame. Israel has done, and is currently doing, some terrible things.

But I've become convinced over the past several years that a lot of, and perhaps even most, people don't really mean it when they say they're against certain crimes and injustices. They are perfectly fine with them when they're given what they believe to be acceptable targets, and this explains why we can't, as a species, seem to get past this shit. There are too many people who don't actually want to, and they manage to hide themselves behind platitudes and aphorisms that make it look like they're in favor of peace and equality etc.

Israel IS without blame. They are not committing genocide. The world and that region of the world is very happy to let Israel and Jews be their Middle Eastern scapegoats, dealing with psychopathic terrorists that use a fake "Palestine" claim in order to kill Jewish people and anyone in the country that doesn't support Islam the way they do.
Ask Jordan and Egypt why they won't open their borders to the Palis in Gaza. Ask them about their dealing with the Pali terrorists from the 1970s and onward. They're perfectly happy to scapegoat Israel and let them all be their headache while Jews get murdered.

Uh, yeah they are. The ICJ has confirmed it. Jews have said it. Israel has documented their war crimes. Their own tweets are being used in court against them. Israeli's have been conducting a genocide since the 1940s when they murdered Palestinians to take their homes and their farmland. Time to pull your head out of bibi's ass.

Do the planet a favor and kill yourself instead of Jewish people.

Unfortunately, you're in the minority. In fact, most of the pro-Palestine people I know would immediately disregard your opinion starting at the line where you called yourself a "liberal." Because Correct Language is the prime indicator of beliefs, and every good leftist knows "liberal" means not left enough and too wishy-washy to take a firm stance, and hence a supporter of the right.

DA This is why I'm not a "leftist."

I've also seen far too many excuses for Hamas among leftists. I don't see any of them (who aren't indigenous) giving their land back to whatever indigenous group was defeated by colonizers at some point, either. Israel has defeated Palestinians like five times since the middle of the last century. Like, fuckin'...what gave Hamas the bright idea to kidnap and murder families and kids in October? It's obvious to me that their funding is suspect (not all coming from inside the house) and there is no good faith peaceful deal objective on that side.

What's happening in Gaza right now to the Palestinian people is legitimately awful, of course. But I can't say any country would be completely above scorching some earth if they were raided by their neighbors who took hostages.

I don't see any of them (who aren't indigenous) giving their land back to whatever indigenous group was defeated by colonizers at some point, either.

Yup, and this is why I can't take the decolonization argument seriously from US folks. These are people who themselves continue to live on settled/colonized land, land that was acquired through genocide and a kind of apartheid, with no plans to ever actually give it back. They have all sorts of excuses at the ready for why they can't. And when they talk about how "anything is justified if it's done to resist oppression and occupation," they don't include themselves as oppressors and occupiers, even though they count as both by their own definitions.

"Decolonization for thee, but not for me." It's easy to support a cause when the consequences of it are overseas, when it's strangers who are suffering and dying.

ISRAEL DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN ON 10/6 AND YOU ARE A RETARD FOR ACTUALLY BELIEVING THAT.

Uh, Bibi has funded hamas forever. I'm sorry if it makes you uncomfortable to hear. But he's admitted it...

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