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⌈ Secret Post #6270 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure we do agree! My point was that when it comes to Finn's three love interests specifically, the reason for that is pandering to racists and reactionaries who were hostile to Finn and Rose Tico. I am not claiming that Finn's multiple love interests was Finn fan pandering done incompetently and badly; I am specifically claiming that Finn's multiple love interests is the direct result of pandering to people who hate Finn (and also Rose), which I would say is the *exact opposite* of Finn fan pandering. So no, we don't agree.

Also, even setting aside the marketing, I also disagree with the idea that the first movie wasn't showing that Finn was force sensitive. Apparently, you don't have to be a Jedi or Sith to use a lightsaber but the overwhelming/almost exclusive users of lightsabers in the movies are force-sensitive Jedi/Sith, it is a Jedi weapon that people seem to have forgotten how to use in the absence of Jedi. To me, I thought the meaning of the Finn/Kylo vs. Rey/Kylo fights was clearly that Finn is force sensitive and has the potential to become a Jedi but he has *no* formal training. Kylo Ren, as part of the Skywalker family, has. He has been formally trained and all of his movements are economical and well-practiced while Finn is panicked and just flailing and clearly out of his league so Kylo competently beats him down. The contrast is that Rey is not only force sensitive -- she's a *prodigy.* This is why even someone like Kylo Ren who has extensive martial arts training AND force sensitivity ends up being defeated by Rey.

In other words:
Finn vs. Kylo is like Sokka vs. Zuko at the start of A:TLA. Finn/Sokka sucks because he has no training against a prince who has been tutored his whole life. He still has potential to grow.
Rey vs. Kylo is like Azula vs. Zuko, except in a world where being spiritual/naturally attuned to the force means a LOT and can make up for an utter lack of any martial arts training.

When Finn and Kylo Ren face off, I thought it was pretty obvious that they were drawing your attention to what the effect of formal sword training is (not force sensitive vs. not). When Rey and Kylo Ren face off, I thought it was clear that they were showing what the effect of natural talent/giftedness was in this universe, which is very demoralizing for Kylo Ren, who is the inheritor of the great Skywalker bloodline and who has gotten some of the best resources in his training.

In other words, the first movie (IMO) naturally sets up that Finn could be a Jedi but he needs formal training. Rey will inevitably be an incredibly powerful Jedi but in the Star Wars way, this makes her scary and the main issue is making sure she stays on the light side.