[ SECRET POST #939 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #939 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 17 pages, 403 secrets from Secret Submission Post #135.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 6 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 4 - repeat ], [ 1 2 3 4 - doing it wrong ], [ 1 - "how the hell is this doing it wrong?" ], [ 1 2 - empty comment ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

101. http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/cellardoorway/fandomsecret01.png">

[(Anonymous)]

You're not the only one!

[angharadd.livejournal.com]

Me too! And I'm (mostly) not ashamed of it XD

[scarlet-pencil.livejournal.com]

Me too! I never really thought about all the underlying problem in society until I found fandom. I definitely feel that I wouldn't be as understanding of a person without fandom. Although, I still could use improvement, XD.

[luxis-lil.livejournal.com]

AMEN!

[akai_senshi.livejournal.com]

Wow.

[kestrellan.livejournal.com]

I feel like this secret could have so easily been written by me. Before fandom, I felt that feminism was kinda silly and irrelevent and I resented that it was always included in some way in my courses as though it was such a big deal. I think fandom's completely opened my eyes to existing prejudices. And I'm ashamed of how dismissive (etc) I felt about it before. I think I was being wilfully ignorant. Which, funnily enough, is now the thing that gets me the most angry about people.

[notoriousreign.livejournal.com]

That's exactly the same with me only with homosexuality.
I grew up in a homophobic home so of course I'm gonna be disgusted when a guy kisses a guy or a girl kisses a girl. It wasn't until I got into fandom where people really liked slash pairings and after ONE MUSICAL when I realized my views were wrong.

They changed after that and for years now I've always been upset that homosexual lovers never get the same rights as heterosexual lovers. =(

[(Anonymous)]

I'm kinda the opposite. I didn't know about stuff like comparing everything to rape until I got on the Internet.

[stupidaquarius.livejournal.com]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[ember-reignited.livejournal.com]

I've only just started college, but fandom gave me a huge head start. <3

[marsdragon.livejournal.com]

Isn't it nice to know that you wasted several years and thousands of dollars?

[stupidaquarius.livejournal.com]

It never hurts to have a master's degree, assuming the OP got one.

[gershwhen.livejournal.com]

Yes, and how much of what you've learned is accurate?

[tulleskirt.livejournal.com]

Thaaaank you.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Not much of a surprise. The real world usually is more instructive than academia (though I'm a college grad and believe it has its place).

And before anyone corrects me, there is a big aspect of "real world" in fandom - namely it's "real people" who don't all have the same education and background.

[childings.livejournal.com]

Wow. Where did you go to school?
I mean, don't get me wrong, fandom is usually really adept at picking up on these themes, but it's not like fandom introduced any of these ideas about gender, race, class and privilege to me.

[gethenian.livejournal.com]

I've never seen them anywhere OUTSIDE fandom.

[beandelphiki.livejournal.com]

I know a guy in graduate school. Sociology.

The whole "prejudice + power" thing? Yeah, when someone mentioned it to him, he barely seemed to have heard of it. Thinks "honky" is on par with other racial slurs. Doesn't seem to understand what I'd consider basic anti-oppression theory.

I'm sort of like, "So what do they teach you in 8 years (or whatever) of sociology?" I mean, I get that oppression is not his specialty interest, but you'd think he'd be able to say something about it beyond whatever Joe Schmoe off the street could say.

Every time I get depressed about how well he's doing in school, and how my life has basically gone down the tubes so far (not that I don't keep picking myself up and trying, but it's been more a case of trial-and-nothing-but-error), I remember that his degree is going to be...a really fancy piece of paper. But he still won't be able to hold an intelligent conversation about intersectionality.

Actually, I don't know if that should be less depressing. But it sure makes me feel better!

[(Anonymous)]

That was my question as well.

This is in no way to discount the great meta I've read online, or anything: I value the fandoms I've observed, but I don't expect them to crossover with academia even when the lingo occasionally lines up. An academic article is NOT the same thing as long post regarding Martha's race in DW (those essays are a really cool hybrid genre: personal observation, some theorizing, lots of immediate dialogue in the comments, a little old-skool/newcrit close reading, lots of really self-aware rhetoric). That post is fascinating and valuable, but it's got a different audience and does different cultural work than the article. Even when we invite our lit-crit terminology into our discussions, the context is not an MLA publication or an academic conference, not least because publication is generally instant and often not-peer-reviewed in fandom. And (here's my lit-crit-iness coming through) that context kind of matters. A lot.

So I guess that's why I don't think I learn the same things from Fandom that I've learned from my degrees. And (I feel the need to add) that's great-- why would I want grad school and fandom to be the same thing even if they share a few interests and epistemes?

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Fandom helped me think about real people (including myself) rather than intellectually applying {insert critical theory of choice} to a written text. It's not better or worse, just more.

[anamatics.livejournal.com]

That is because a graduate degree in critical thinking and literature will not teach you about race, gender, class or privilege. A degree in human geographies or political science would help you there.

[gethenian.livejournal.com]

That is because a graduate degree in critical thinking and literature will not teach you about race, gender, class or privilege.

Oh really? Even my shitty, shitty high school lit classes brushed on those issues. And they were TRYING not to be diverse or open-minded.

Not to be rude but...

[(Anonymous)]

What exactly has fandom taught you? I mean this as a serious question, because perhaps it's where I hang out in fandom but all I've come across are mostly sterotypes or inaccurate portrayals of class/race/gender, etc.

For example, on race I've learnt that many people in fandom are either scared to portray various races, don't know how to or just don't want to do it. I've learnt that if, for example, a Black or Indian (or whatever minority it may be) person is represented, there are cries of 'tokenism!!'.

Many portrayals I've come across on gender usually leads to a more dominant man and a submissive woman, even down to in fiction where a man is constantly overprotective, or even possessive of another woman.

Perhaps these are big generalisations to make and it's just down to the nature of what people are looking for in a certain fandom that means these issues are not really teaching or dealing with them.

However, I'm sure that there are areas of fandom which are very good at picking up these issues and dealing with them, it's just I haven't found anything in fandom that I have not learnt or experienced from dealing with people in real life or college.