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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2009-08-01 04:17 pm

[ SECRET POST #939 ]


⌈ Secret Post #939 ⌋

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[identity profile] t3h-toby-chan.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 03:59 am (UTC)(link)
I don't just 'happen to be' a girl. It is a part of my identity that I'd rather not be compelled to play down or looked down upon for. While I can see the good intentions of the mindset of 'Be a person first, a woman second' as a liberating philosophy, it's flawed in that it reinforces that there is a default state of being which 'woman' is a step down or a step away from.

Which I think is what the OP is trying to express; is that a girl in traditionally male-crowded parts of geek subculture doesn't have to conform to have the male-identified image or mindset to be a part of that culture; that she can keep the conventionally female-attributed identity and not give up the things she likes.

It could also be that she is trying to make herself the exception to the rule and stand out, yes. I know the 'Omg GIRL GAMER' cliche'. Still, there is something to be said about stereotypes of what geek girls are or must be.
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[identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 07:39 pm (UTC)(link)
While I can see the good intentions of the mindset of 'Be a person first, a woman second' as a liberating philosophy, it's flawed in that it reinforces that there is a default state of being which 'woman' is a step down or a step away from.

Yes.

[identity profile] skelody.livejournal.com 2009-08-10 04:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, there is a hierarchical structure of identification. It starts with being human, and the next step may vary depending on which human you're talking to.

What's wrong with admitting that?

[identity profile] t3h-toby-chan.livejournal.com 2009-08-10 07:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Which is true to an extent, but the attitude is far from egalitarian.


It's like the fuss over how 'biased' Justice Sotomayor might be; being hispanic and a woman. It's being noticed because, in the mind of society as structured by patriarchy, being a white male is the default state of human being, so few people consider the current judges to have bias.

The idea is that man is the default state of human. Hence Man and Wo-Man. Embracing the identity of what is considered 'variant' will lead people to ask "Well why aren't you just being normal?", which reveals the assumption that 'default' and 'normal' are limited criteria which is most certainly not default for most people.

Which is why 'just be a person' or 'just be yourself' can sometimes have unpleasant undertones of 'just be this way, which I consider default behavior.' If myself is a woman who embraces traditional feminine identity; If myself is gay and proud; If myself is Afro-Brazilian with a loud and strong sense of heritage- then asking for 'normal' behavior with the implication that it is necessarily different from these 'variant' identity points and needed to fit in, that's problematic.


I see this as a girl who feels that socialized pressure to act more like the 'normal' members of the subculture, to the detriment of her identity, and is acting out against it.

[identity profile] skelody.livejournal.com 2009-08-10 07:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Except... nobody said "default=man" here. "Human" was even specified.

To clarify: I think that the OP's actions are perfectly fine, and may be inspirational to others who are in the same boat. My view is that Human being the primary ID is an ideal. In a world rife with stereotyping, the emphasis of a subidentity (woman, Chinese, Christian) can be a very useful tool in breaking stereotypes centered around those subidentities.

>.> I hope that was, in fact, clear. I'm not great at the whole mind-to-text transfer.