[ SECRET POST #6295 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6295 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

It won loads of awards and is regarded as one of the best films of the century. How much more regard do you want for it?
If newer generations have problems with it based on names attached, it’s more likely to be Larry Fox or Stephen Fry.

[(Anonymous)]

*slooooow downwards look at the comment that mentions Julian Fellowes*

[(Anonymous)]

that nonnie and, I mean, just because I personally hate Julian Fellowes doesn't mean anyone else does

[(Anonymous)]

I really think this is a case of FS being at least 80% American and mostly over 35. Larry Fox is objectively worse than Julian Fellowes, he just isn’t known outside the UK.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't even know who Larry Fox is, and Stephen Fry's got a relatively small role in the movie, plus he's been pretty inactive, career-wise. I figured Julian Fellowes is (now) a lot more well known because of Downton Abbey, and even some Americans are aware that his political views are objectionable. I have zero knowledge of his political viewpoints, but I've definitely heard complaints about how his creations are... Tory porn? Basically, that they romanticize and sanitize the whole upper class, country house set.

[(Anonymous)]

I think I've learned about this movie here on F!S and I enjoyed it greatly. Such a fun take on classic detective

[(Anonymous)]

Julian Fellowes really, really, really, really, really fucking sucks though.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel this undersells just how bad of an unpleasant chode he really is.

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who knows nothing about him, how and why does he suck?

[(Anonymous)]

Deeply classist right-wing beliefs in ways that permeate his writing, but also just a really smug arrogant dickhead personally in ways that permeate his writing.

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh. Try being a fan of Margin Call, Seven, The Usual Suspects, and The Negotiator. Super fun!

[(Anonymous)]

Baby Driver, too.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh. Why did you have to remind me?

[(Anonymous)]

I think the problem isn't so much that it has unpleasant people attached but that Julian Fellowes has gone on (and on and on) in a similar genre but much less well, so Gosford Park gets attached to the Fellowes oeuvre (and all the other Fellowes problems) even though it is much more an Altman film.

[(Anonymous)]

You know, Kenneth Branagh has been doing movie adaptations of Christie's Poirot works for the past few years and a lot of the cast is stellar, but I can't get over my distaste for at least one of the actors each in Murder on the Orient Express and Death on the Nile (A Haunting in Venice just isn't my thing), so I kind of understand where people might be coming from.

[(Anonymous)]

Um, Kenneth Branagh's Poirot movies are shit for more reasons than Depp and Hammer:

- Branagh is not a good Poirot. His acting (a bad French accent) does not make up for not resembling the character at all.
- adding a tragic backstory to Poirot shows that Branagh fundamentally misunderstands Poirot as a character. He is a fussy Belgian genius detective bachelor who is constantly holidaying! He seems meanish but is actually quite sweet! He generally likes his life as it is! And that's okay!
- the first two adaptations were servicable. The last (including the plot changes and nods to the supernatural) was pretty bad. And all three look pretty mediocre when your remember:
- the Suchet adaptations exist, and are better in every respect as both adaptations and live action stories than the Branagh films.

I will never not watch a big budget murder mystery movie, because that's my jam. But the Branagh Poirot movies DID NOT need to exist.

The only thing that I was give with was diversifying the cast. Christie's stories are escapist murder mysteries first and representations of their time, including its bigotry, second. You do not take away from the former if you remove the bigotry from the latter.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

You put this all beautifully. I completely agree.

[(Anonymous)]

His bad accent was enough for me to nope out of the first movie before the plot even started.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you'll find that that is a bad Belgian accent, m'siuer.

[philstar22]

Agreed with all of this. Then again, I was never going to be in favor of new adaptions considering I think the David Suchet version is the perfect adaption. Nothing else will ever hold a candle to his Poirot.

[(Anonymous)]

I watched the first adaptation and didn't hate it, but didn't find it particularly impressive OR memorable. Definitely not up to Gosford Park standards, IMO. Which saddened me, because I like Kenneth Branagh and was keen for another Poirot adaptation.

[meadowphoenix]

i actually watched this because someone said that julian fellows peaked with this, (and then i saw it's just got a shit ton of greats in the cast and that was it for me, and it's great), so my experience of people talking about it is different from yours i think. that was only a couple years ago, and idk people still seem to like downton abbey enough that i wonder if it's where you're hearing this? in the us, gosford park still highly regarded by the film people i know.

that said, he's a person where i genuinely wonder if the difference between actually being a peer and just anticipating it changed his ability to see it clearly. like gosford park works because it has satirical edges, but downton abbey has none (well not none, but less and less as it went on imo) and was made around the time/close to when he ascended to the barony.

[(Anonymous)]

There should be a Miss Silver adaptation, except she gets to stab someone with her knitting needles. Only in self defense, of course.

TIL

[(Anonymous)]

Today I learned Gosford Park is a murder mystery and NOT Downtown Abbey style shenanigans and I'm actually interested in it.