[ SECRET POST #6324 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6324 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

SA with some more questions.

How are you binding books and then discovering the typesetting is wrong?

And what do you mean by typesetting? Are you outsourcing the formatting of the books and then printing and binding them yourself? What are binding?

I’ve never been able to figure out what you’re talking about and I can understand that some of that might be a language barrier but it actually seems like you’ve learned from someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

I highly recommend you focus on learning how to bind plain notebooks and then graduate to lined notebooks. You will learn how to format and size both your documents and your book. You’ll learn about paper grain and weight.
Once you have a grasp on those things, practice printing and sewing ten sheets of text. Then start getting creative with fonts and artwork.

There’s no reason to outsource any of your work at this point. Once you’ve mastered those basics, you might consider outsourcing printing if you do not have a laser printer yet. But if you do that more than a few times, you will have wasted the cost of an entry level Brother laser printer and 250 sheets of quality paper.

[(Anonymous)]

Not OP, but I love how invested and helpful you are here.

[(Anonymous)]

Hahaha OP has been living rent free in my head since around Christmas when they first mentioned wanting to learn how to do it. I got the impression then that they’d been led astray before they even started. I hope they’re not dealing with a modern day snake oil dealer. Even if they are, they can still learn an incredibly satisfying skill and likely develop another skill that they think they have to pay someone else to do.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Geniune answer: I didn't think things throught 😆

I didn't realize something was wrong because people don't always use the same margins when they format fanfictions and because the size of US letter is close to the size of a A4 (standard paper size in Europe) so the problem wasn't obvious in Word.

I'm not sure why you have difficulties with the term binding if you are binding notebooks. Bookbinding is very similar to binding notebooks.

Typesetting takes time, if by chance, someone has already formatted the fic I want to bind and I like it, I'm not going to waste time.

I feel you are not familiar with the ficbinding community: people share their typesets freely so others can also bind their favourite fics. There is no question of outsourcing, it's done within the community.

You should check Amateur Fanfic Binding on facebook or even the Renegade Bindery discord, they have a lot of ressources!

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

You’re right that I’m not familiar with the ficbinding community. I am very familiar with bookbinding though. It was your use of “typesetting” that didn’t make sense to me but I understand now. I’ve never not done my own formatting because that’s just one of the natural steps in bookbinding.

I hope you can figure out how to make the typesettings work for you :)

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I don’t make notebooks, I’m suggesting you learn bookbinding starting with notebooks. It sounds like you don’t know the basics.

By outsourcing, I meant that you aren’t doing the work. I understand you’re getting it from others in the community but it’s still outsourcing. Someone created a document file based on their equipment, materials, and finished book size.

If the Americans in your group are just using regular US Letter size, they’re doing it wrong. If they are using tabloid size paper and cutting it down to US Letter, then they’re doing it correctly. But it still doesn’t help you unless you get tabloid size paper.

Unless you buy the same size sheets and prepare them the same way they did, your work won’t turn out correctly. If you’re making A5 books, then you need to start with short grain A4. That’s really the only way to use A4 paper in binding unless you want tiny books, like fit in the palm of your hand size.

You are better off using A6 paper and cutting it in half. But no matter what paper size you use, you will still need to define custom document sizes and custom margins no matter who formatted the document (you or someone in America).

This is why I say you should really learn bookbinding before trying ficbinding. If you learn bookbinding, you will learn how to adjust the typesets shared by others.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

The far easier solution is to change the paper size of the document in Word 😉

I'm not sure where you get the impression I'm not familiar with the basics of bookbinding: my secret is about the second fanfic I bound. It was a sucess except for the weird margins in the text block.

I did every step myself:printing, sewing, rounding and backing and casing. There was noutsourcing 😇

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Using someone else’s formatting or what you keep calling typesetting is outsourcing. If you knew the basics of bookbinding, you never would have printed the document let alone actually bound it. You would have known about paper sizes before ever buying supplies. You should also know about grain direction, which it doesn’t seem you do if you’re printing on A4 paper and learning from people who print on US letter.

I’ll just let you get on with it and wish you good luck. I hope you get results that are worth the time, effort, and expense that you pour into them.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for your good wishes.

It's really funny to meet someone who has the same hobby as you but in a completly different context 😆

If you don't know, typesetting is arranging a text on pages for printing, it goes beyond just formatting.That's why it's a very common term in the fanfic binding community.

And I'm going to disagree with you: the fic binding community is a community build by fans and sharing typesets is part of what makes it a community.

You may think that using a typeset made by someone else is lazy because it's a shorcut but fans who share their typesets do it to support other fans in their ficbinding journey.