[ SECRET POST #6349 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6349 ⌋

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Comments

[feotakahari]

Unfortunately, “your doctor says you need to lose weight” doesn’t always round off to “you need to lose weight.” Sometimes it’s “your doctor is an idiot who’s ignoring the actual issue.” https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/lijukc/i_lost_75_pounds_so_doctors_would_stop_blaming/

[(Anonymous)]

This. Doctors tend to default to that for almost every issue. Especially if you're a woman. It took me forever, but I finally found a doctor who asked on my first visit if I wanted to lose weight. I said no, and she's never mentioned it as the solution for anything.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes!
As a fat woman (and not that fat, but "we are using eugenics system to judge you" fat) I had my share of doctors just ignoring any of my issues just to spew about weight loss. Like even if my weight is affecting my health they were just doing nothing. On one fun occasion doctor just decided for themselves that I need to get thin and prescribed me medicine that basically make you shit non stop. Yeh, sure.
Next health solution is to make babies, also fun one.

[(Anonymous)]

Doesn't mean that it's not necessary to lose weight in a lot of cases.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it does. There are actually very few cases where it's necessary to lose weight.

[(Anonymous)]

Incorrect. Just about every surgery is much more risky for a fat person, just to name one common instance.

[(Anonymous)]

And there are risks associated just with being born AFAB, doesn't mean it's necessary to not be. It's more risky to your lungs to live in cities, just to name one common instance.

There are very few instances where it's necessary to lose wight, because most medical issues are not caused by and not solved by weight.

[(Anonymous)]

Just about every surgery is also more risky for a thin person, interestingly. Surgery generally is actually substantially riskier for underweight people than obese people. And yet doctors very rarely tell a patient they need to gain weight before they have surgery. Interesting.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000 Studies have shown when it comes to health it's best to be somewhat "overweight" followed by "normal" weight followed by obese followed by skinny. Yet no one tells skinny people to eat more and exercise less. It's almost like it's entirely based on looks and not health. Curious.

[(Anonymous)]

That is factually wrong - people with an 'overweight' BMI actually do better after surgeries than 'normal' weight people, and for 'obese' people it's still better than 'underweight' people.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, no. When I went to my doctor because I was having a health problem, he told me that I needed to lose some weight or else I risked it becoming a) much more severe, and b) permanent.

And guess what? The problem has completely gone away now that I've lost weight.

[(Anonymous)]

Congrats on being the 1 in 10000000? I have a friend who also has an issue that can only be solved by losing weight. Doesn't mean I can't read the statistics, which show the vast majority of issues fat people have isn't the fat.

[(Anonymous)]

Was that issue, perhaps, pre-diabetes? Because that's usually the one that people say that about. Prediabetes for one is not particularly well linked to actually developing diabetes; there's not great evidence that having slightly elevated blood sugar increases your risk of developing the full-on disorder later, but due to a PR campaign it got well-established among doctors anyway. And second, getting better exercise and improving your diet will drop your blood sugar whether you lose weight or not (and calorie restriction will also change your blood sugar, if you went with that rather than actually better diet) I have a good friend who is extremely overweight and her 'pre-diabetes' went away when she started eating better due to unrelated life changes, without dropping a pound.

A lot of other conditions that are 'solved' by weight loss are similar to this, too.

[(Anonymous)]

So your solution is to tell all fat people that no, fuck what their doctors says, they dont akshually need to lose weight because you know better?
Just because this is a common mistake some doctors make doesn't mean it's never necessary.

[(Anonymous)]

A doctor should keep their eyes peeled for symptoms of other diseases not tied to obesity. If they're coming from a place where only thinner people get something like lyme disease, they need to change their thinking.

[(Anonymous)]

The fact that doctors have a blind spot when it comes to fat people and being obese not being healthy are not mutually exclusive. Both are true at the same time.

[(Anonymous)]

I had

[(Anonymous)]

Lol, my hand slipped.
For example I had leg issues that started because of my weight and also because a lot of other factors. But I had doctors going on about me needing to get thin. While I couldn't fucking walk. And you know who made this problem a non-issue? Doctor who wasn't talking about my weight at all.
Now I am on a journey of moving more, exercising more, eating better. Why? Because I am not in a constant pain. Funny how it works. Just one doctor who didn't make my health issue my moral falling.

[(Anonymous)]

Those doctors are worth their weight (lol) in gold. I went in to my doctor with shortness of breath and tachycardia. Instead of just telling me it was because I was fat they ran all the tests (and I do mean all: they took two vials of blood to run tests on, did lung capacity tests, did an EKG, and even sent me to the local hospital for x-rays and scans). When all of those came back clean, my doc sent me to a cardiologist. Found out I have a congenital heart issue that's triggered by stress and exercise (lol again). I now have exercise guidelines that won't stress my heart in the wrong way and medications to help. Trying to lose weight would have literally just made it worse.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT
OMG!
I am glad you've find the right doctor.

[(Anonymous)]

While this is true, the only context we have is OP saying it's important. So I'm taking the secret at face value. We just don't know what they're specifically talking about and I'd rather not make assumptions. That said I appreciate you sharing the link, really striking how many people said they lost someone because doctors wouldn't investigate the person's health beyond weight.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not even overweight by any of the standard medical measures, nor do I have any medical issues linked to weight in even the most glorious fatphobe's imagination, and I get told to try a low-fat low-carb diet for weight loss every time I go to the doctor.

There are definitely people who do need to lose weight for medical reasons - i.e., people who are having lifechanging surgery withheld by their insurance until they can crash their bodyweight - but op, doctors don't know shit about healthy bodyweights or what conditions are actually truly improved by weight loss.

[(Anonymous)]

They also don't know how to lose weight. All the studies show that only about 1-3% of the population can keep weight off long term. And studies have also shown that yo-yoing weight is waaaaay more unhealthy than just being fat.

We know everything there is to know about types of body fat and how stress effects nutrient absorption and fat retention and how and which impurities in food affect all types of health - in feed animals. We don't know any of this for humans. We're blaming individuals for a systemic problem.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

But this. And it rarely gets any attention at all because the yelling about how any critical discussion of obesity is really just "attacking fat people" short-circuits serious conversations or puts them out of view of the internet.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep. And most people can lose weight short-term and keep it up for a few months/years by starving themselves, and sometimes that can temporarily help with a health problem, but when they inevitably gain it back the health issues come back, usually worsened by the unhealthy eating.

If they are solved long-term it's because the weight loss earned them the right to have doctors look at how to *actually* help.