[ SECRET POST #6356 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6356 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[The Great North ]



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07. [WARNING for discussion of transphobia/JKR/the usual]




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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It matters not a whit.

People will make excuses for those they're most attached to, and will drag others through the dirt for the most minor of transgressions. At the end of the day, the main reason people get upset by this stuff is that they want someone to hate, someone it's acceptable for them to be cruel to. Vanishingly few people on this earth would not gladly support or commit an atrocity if they were able to cloak it in a veil of moral righteousness.

[(Anonymous)]

I don’t think that’s always true. I agree it happens and I think with younger fans in current fandom that it happens a lot. But audiences have always had a personal line that hurts entertainers to cross. I still like and enjoy Tim Allen’s work. I don’t share his views but I also don’t really care, learning about him didn’t impact my enjoyment of his work. But I can’t enjoy Ferris Bueller’s Day Off because I’m so horrified about and repulsed by Jeffrey Jones. I didn’t set out to feel the way I do about either of those actors or their work, it just happens. It turns out that different values isn’t a deal breaker but pedophilia is.

[(Anonymous)]

I couldn't enjoy that movie even before I knew about Jeffrey Jones, the whole point of the movie is apparently how awesome it is to be a spoiled little asshat.

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DA

Those "personal lines" are often shitty, though. You're forgetting how many entertainers went around pretending not to be gay because they thought (rightly) that audiences would punish them if it became common knowledge. The fact that you have the ability to make it harder for someone to make ends meet because you disapprove of how they live their life does not make that an ethical thing to try to do to them. At all.

[(Anonymous)]

One person not consuming old media someone made by someone they hate is not going to hurt their ability to make a living lmao and that's not the point anyway. It's not about trying to hurt the person, it's about genuinely being unable to enjoy what they've made anymore.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Maybe that's your point. But most of the time when I see people going on about staying away from some actor or thing, it's because they think the bad person needs to be punished. Not because they're choosing to re-watch this old movie instead of that old movie because what they know about the people who made the movie pains them.

I recently learned that Judith Barsi, who voiced Ducky in The Land Before Time and Anne-Marie in All Dogs Go To Heaven, was ten years old when her alcoholic father brutally murdered her. If it were simply that people who have strong feelings about what they know happened behind the cameras share "I can't rewatch this" with each other in fandom, I think we'd have more attention paid to situations like that, instead of a perpetual spotlight on arts-related people we're currently being incited to blame for bad behavior.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, look, at the end of the day neither of us is actually capable of discerning the ethical beliefs and behavior of every member of the human race.

My view is that people do things for a wide array of complicated, often contradictory reasons and that one of those reasons is, you know, actually disliking it when people do evil shit. But if you just want to be a cynic and talk about how a concern for justice is nothing but a cloak for self-interest, I can't stop you and neither of us can really disprove the other.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not self-interest, not nakedly. It's rage, vengeance, desperation. People carve out exceptions for themselves -- "it's different when I do it." This is reality, not cynicism. All you have to do is look around you, and you'll see it: the ones who are fine with rape, murder, and torture if it's done to Bad People. They call all of it "justice," and they believe it, because that's how they feel, sincerely. They mock or insult anyone who tries to argue that it's wrong.

I thought as you when I was young, but no more. People are terrible. All they need is an excuse.

[(Anonymous)]

just look at all the feminists being quiet about jewish women being raped in israel and in gaza. they are okaying it and not speaking up about it.

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DA

You know, I wish this didn't ring true to me. But the gloating in leftist spaces over how various men who have been jailed for violence against women or children are going to be raped in jail just broke my ability to see those self-righteous people as actually committed to a world where no one is raped for revenge or in this paper-thin excuse that it will keep them from doing bad things in the future.

I don't think "people" are terrible. But a lot of ones who think they're good really seem to believe some people deserve be raped, tortured, and murdered. And "it's fine, because we think the people who should be victimized are the ones who weren't historically victimized!" just sounds so unconvincing to me.

[(Anonymous)]

+3

A disturbingly loud part of the online left isn't looking to make the world a better place where there's little to no suffering, they want acceptable targets they can hate without pushback.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like you're okay with genocide deniers so long as they tickle your funny bone a little.