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⌈ Secret Post #6386 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Well...in that example, as long as you do actually listen to goth music. Otherwise yes, that is the definition of poser.

[(Anonymous)]

Shouldn't liking the aesthetics be enough reason to buy the clothes? Why is liking goth music a requirement to not be dismissed as a poser? What if someone likes goth music but isn't into goth clothes?

[(Anonymous)]

I went through a long goth fashion phase. I'd say from about age 16 to late 20s I was all dressed up. It was all about the fashion and the vibe for me. And I not once got called a poser or a fake by my other goth friends. The idea that you have to like every aspect of a genre to be accepted is so silly. Fashion or aesthetics is enough. If you only like the music but don't dig the clothes, that's enough. You are all valid!

Now if you are only buying the albums or clothes etc to fake fitting in for whatever reason, then yeah you're a poser.

[(Anonymous)]

The only thing that makes someone a Goth is listening to the music. It's a music subculture not a fashion one. Or at least it originally was. Instagram and tick tock changed that for younger generations. There are clothes that can be associated with the culture, but if you listen to Goth and wear nothing but pink you're still Goth.

[(Anonymous)]

Goth was primarily a fashion and aesthetic subculture as far back as the 80s! The music is part of it but far from the only part. It's an umbrella term for a whole bunch of subcultures hanging out together, mostly peacefully. Personally, I was into the music and the alt comics and books side of the culture more than the fashion, but other Goths never gave me shit for that. Nor did they shit on people who weren't into the music, or that one guy who was solely into Gothic tattoos and if you saw him in his work clothes you'd never know. Goth perfumiers, Goth candle makers, Goth artists...

[(Anonymous)]

No, goth fashion has been around for much longer than modern social media, and dismissing it as a lesser part of the subculture is elitist bullshit. Some folks like gothic literature, some like goth clothes, and they're just as goth as the music lovers.

[kamino_neko]

This. Like, if you're wearing band merch without liking the band, then I'd understand 'poser' (though still roll my eyes - sometimes merch has a great aesthetic, despite the band not clicking), but the fashion and the music, while sharing an origin, are not the same thing.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT
Wearing office clothes doesn't stop someone from being goth. But yes, if you wear the clothes but don't like the music, you are not goth. Metalheads who don't like metal are not metalheads. Easy as. If you wear the clothes, you're alt, sure. But not goth, by most standards.

Been in the subculture for years and years, and I'm tired of all the tiktok "goths", goodness. You can listen to other music and still be in the subculture, but you're not in the subculture if you don't listen to the music. Everything revolves around that.

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT
Okay, cool. Thanks for providing an argument. Really changed my mind there, buddy.

[(Anonymous)]

NA

I don't know, since Gothic Rock itself is inspired by gothic literature, I feel like there's another way into goth culture.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT
Hmm, that's something to chew on. I cannot say I've ever met someone who considered themselves goth by today's standards through literature only in this day and age, although most of my other goth friends and folks I know in the scene do have a penchant for gothic lit. Someone above also mentioned comics and perfume and such things. I've had a few to drink so I may have to ponder on this later.

[(Anonymous)]

DA
I will have to agree. At least when I was a goth, subculture consisted from people being into whole aesthetic +loving music or loving certain type of literature +or being into clubbing (ok, that correlates with music) +loving certain movies +lurking around cemeteries lol. Everyone had a niche for themselves.
But I do consider only liking dark clothes pretty shallow and empty

[(Anonymous)]

Goth as a subgenre and aesthetic has predated the music by years though. So you can in fact be a goth or like gothic things without knowing a thing about the music, or simply not vibing with the sound. Every goth kind of has their own personal defining point for it themselves as it is and you’d get laughed at by most for insisting that ‘proper’ goths have to like the music. You might even get called a poser yourself for insisting that tbh.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I was in high school in the 90's, and goths hardly ever said anything about music. All you needed to do to be a goth was 1) wear too much black and 2) hate preps.

Damn kids these days don't know their roots no matter what group they claim to belong to.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd argue there are a TON of other goth media outside of music that goth people enjoy and that makes them goth. Comics, books, clothes, art, movies. Hell, gothic literature existed before modern goth music did.