[ SECRET POST #6386 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6386 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm going to disagree, because I think most subcultures that use the word poser have valid arguments in that there are people interested in having the look of a lifestyle without actually living it or making any connection to it (honestly, Drake came to mind lol). Capitalism does market on these communities to people outside them though, no disagreement there.

I also think it's funny though how mad people get about being called posers when they admit they are only into the aesthetics of a group. Like bro, it's not that deep, just like your interest in the actual community.

[(Anonymous)]

But liking the aesthetics doesn’t make someone a poser as they’re actually into that part of it. If they said they were into it but deep down they only did it for outward validation or popularity then they would be a poser as they don’t actually like the thing in question. Genuinely liking a part of something means someone isn’t a poser.

[(Anonymous)]

Liking the aesthetics is fine, I'm saying if that's the only thing that makes a person "part" of the community (it doesn't), then that's posing. If youre in the community, you should be able to hold convos about it. If you're only in it for the clothes, what are you talking about exactly? Where you shopped, where you thrifted? That's so lame. Look at skaters, skate culture was huge even in mainstream in the 90s/2000s, and lots of people were wearing "skater" clothes. But if you can't name names, can't talk about technique, can't even skate, but you wear the clothes? Posing.

Capitalism makes money off the next cool thing and has people thinking that if they wear the clothes they can buy an in into the culture. That's not true. You can look the part but if you don't engage beyond that then the people in the community are going to know.

And it's cool if youre fine with that. Wear the clothes, it's your life, do what you want. Just don't get mad if you get called a poser, is what I'm saying.

[(Anonymous)]

If you can't hold a conversation about gothic literature/art then you're the poser anon. The music is not the defining point of goth subculture and acing like it is tells me how young you are.

I've always welcome other more aesthetic based goths because they still like the visuals of it even if they don't know about the details. People like you however are gonna get laughed out of any goth group though as you think music is all there is to it.

[(Anonymous)]

Uhhh did you mean to respond to me? I didn't say anything about goths...I'm not jumping in that pool.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

There’s a reason I picked goth instead of punk for this. Punks at least theoretically have a leftist political ideology (though I’ve heard The Ramones called conservative punks.) Goth ideology is more found in overlaps, e.g. a goth who also has an ideology of sexual freedom.)

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Trying to pin a political ideology to the Ramones is... complicated. Johnny was a conservative, Joey was a liberal, Dee Dee (who wrote most of their songs) was fucking insane. So it's kind of hard to pin them down politically. You have songs with no discernible ideological point (the love songs/boredom songs), songs about Joey and Dee Dee's fucked up mental health, songs that use Nazi aesthetics but holy shit it's complicated (between Dee Dee's weird relationship with Nazism from growing up in West Germany and Joey and Tommy being Jewish, it's a whole can of worms), songs where Joey's trying desperately to bring politics into the band, and "53rd and 3rd".

In general, punk really got political in the second major wave - the first wave New York and London bands were all over the map, some had a genuine political angle, some kind of gestured in that direction, some were really into Nazi aesthetics in a way that wasn't as weird and complicated as the Ramones and therefore less understandable/somewhat forgivable. The second wave wound up very quickly centering around hardcore, which tended to be more political and, uh, reactionary - this is where you get both legitimately leftist bands like Minor Threat and Reagan Youth but also legitimate skinheads (as opposed to the "yeah we use Nazi aesthetics but we're actually fairly normal" of the first wave).