[ SECRET POST #6387 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6387 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, in the 90s specifically there was a huge deescalation of military action and perceived threat of nuclear annihilation due to the collapse of the Soviet Union and destruction of the Berlin Wall. The Apartheid government of South Africa was dismantled. The world was moving closer and closer to stemming the AIDS crisis and the Troubles in Ireland were coming to an end. Most of the world was enjoying an economic boom and the internet was fun and new.

It’s not as if there wasn’t horror and violence and bigotry and war, but there were some pretty big, positive changes going on in the world that made people think that things were moving in the right direction.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe it is a regional or generational difference because I did not witness any kind of upswing of hope. In fact, pretty much everyone I met in all three countries I lived in that decade talked about how the world was going to shit and by the end of 98 there was palpable fear about the Y2K bug.

[(Anonymous)]

What specific countries are you talking about?

[(Anonymous)]

England, America, and Germany.

[(Anonymous)]

OK, America I can sort of see where you're coming from (even if I think that what was bad in the 90s in America has all got way worse since), but England and Germany?

[(Anonymous)]

I really think you’re missing the point. The 90s weren’t a hopeful time free of fascism and genocide. We had more genocides in the 90s than we’ve had in this century. In America alone there were dozens of instances of far right violence. Gun control didn’t really exist in even the laughable way it does now. The militarization of the police was accelerated in the 90s and extrajudicial executions so commonplace that they became a laughing matter. Ever heard “driving while black?”
I could go on. I’m not going to. It’s great that you and OP and others think the 90s were a hopeful time. It wasn’t. It was for some Americans. It was for some westerners. The decade ended with fear and further erosion of trust in governments.

[(Anonymous)]

I really think YOU'RE missing the point.

"Bad things happened in the 1990s" is not a counterargument to "things have gotten worse since the 1990s". It just isn't. I'm not saying that no bad things happened between 1990 and 2000. I'm not saying that everyone was hopeful, or that everything was perfect.

But there were specific historical events that led many people to have hope during the 1990s - for instance, the early Blair years and the move away from Thatcherism and the "Cool Brittania" era of pop culture in the UK, the reunification of East and West Germany. You had the end of apartheid in South Africa. And there are specific events that have happened since then that have caused people to have less hope and to be more worried and pessimistic. The far right just is more powerful now, in the US and all throughout Europe and in India and in many other places.

If you want to make the argument that the hopeful things didn't matter in the 1990s and didn't make the world a better place, or were outweighed by the bad things - or you want to argue that the bad things since 1999 didn't actually make the world any worse - make the argument. But just pointing out that bad things happened during the 1990s doesn't really have anything to do with waht people are saying.

[(Anonymous)]

I’ll be honest, I didn’t bother reading past your first sentence because you really did miss the point. This isn’t about if things have gotten worse. This is about OP’s extremely wrong assertion that the 90s were a hopeful time that didn’t have genocide or fascism. And where we are now is the result of things that happened then.

[(Anonymous)]

They said "less"

[(Anonymous)]

There is less genocide. And arguably less fascism but that runs into semantics and the fascism of the 90s was tied up in other actions/motivations.

[(Anonymous)]

They also said more fun and hope, which is demonstrably wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

What part of Germany were you in that people were so awfully pessimistic?

[(Anonymous)]

+1