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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2024-07-27 02:09 pm

[ SECRET POST #6413 ]


⌈ Secret Post #6413 ⌋

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[personal profile] ariakas 2024-07-28 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh come on. Showing a character casually enjoying a soft recreational drug, like alcohol or nicotine or coffee or cannabis, something that is very normal for most adults in many of the cultures portrayed in media, is not the same as making them an avid fan of a hobby that never comes up in canon.

Nobody is "jumping straight from" anything you didn't say yourself by stating you were "alienated" by someone pulling out a joint "because fanfic involves a high level of identifying/relating to the characters", i.e., that you are then unable to do that because you personally don't like it.

Your words aren't being twisted.

(Anonymous) 2024-07-28 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Nayrt but yeah, they really are being twisted.

The problem here seems to be with the way you and a couple other anon's here understand identifying with a character vs. What it means to me, op, and other anon(s) here.

I, and likely op, identify with (i.e. feel emotionally connected to and experience the story vicariously through) tons of characters who are nothing like us in so many ways. But if something is a squick for us, we dont want to read about our favorite character, whom we are essentially sitting in as we experience the narrative, engaging with that thing that squicks us in a way that is overtly positive. Because it's unenjoyable and disruptive to the enjoyment and immersion in the story - as squicks are.

I don't think op thought there would be anything controversial about their comment (nor would I think there was). Experiencing a story through vicarious identification with the main character(s) is extremely common; arguably standard. Not wanting to engage with known squick is extremely common, and engaging with a known squick when the character we are vicariously experiencing the story through actively enjoys the squick tends to make the whole thing more acutely unenjoyable.

I dont think the OP used the word squick specifically, even though it seems clear that's what pot is to them, so maybe that's where the confusion is coming from. Otherwise I have to idea. What they said made total sense to me and I didn't get any of what you seem to be interpreting from it at all.

(Anonymous) 2024-07-28 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
If it's actually a squick for them then they should have just said that instead of using language that comes across as sanctimoniously judgmental. "I roll my eyes and back button out" sounds like you're judging people for writing that particular thing.

(Anonymous) 2024-07-29 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
OP here! I did not say that thing you quoted me saying, or anything like it. I thought that "I have never had any positive experiences with weed, only negative ones" was pretty damn clear, but I guess not. And nothing in my comment was judgmental or sanctimonious; you are reading so much into tone here, and none of it is correct.

Do you live in a place where people are hella judgy about weed? Because I opened my comment by divulging that I live in a place where weed is completely normalized. When I go out for a walk, I see more people toking than smoking. People tend to think you're a square if you don't ever toke, here. So no, I wasn't being sanctimonious or judgmental and it wouldn't even occur to me to be either of those things, because it's completely normal here. If you think you read any of that in my comment, you were mistaken.

(Anonymous) 2024-07-29 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
"I did not say that thing you quoted me saying"

You literally did. It's right there on the secret. Do you need me to link it for you to remember what you wrote?

(Anonymous) 2024-07-29 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
Jesus fucking christ. I'm the OP of the thread that y'all are piling onto like crazed weasles, not the OP of the fucking secret. Lord.

(Anonymous) 2024-07-29 01:56 am (UTC)(link)
Then you need to say "thread OP" because otherwise people see "OP" and think that you're the secret poster because that's how it usually works here.