[ SECRET POST #6413 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6413 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

THIS. you can really tell that some people itt view toking as like, a default behavior, because they're so triggered when someone DOESN'T like the characters (who dont ever toke in canon) to toke because they don't personally enjoy it, but they choose to write characters who dont ever toke in canon as toking, and somehow that's...not coming from a place of personal preference and relatability? Lol, K.

[ariakas]

I don't enjoy toking at all. It's still not "alienating" or "jarring" to have a character toke, because fictional characters aren't me and don't have to enjoy exactly the same things I do to be relatable.

[(Anonymous)]

Why are you so insistent that ayrt and everyone else engage with fiction the exact same way you do? Seriously the only person here who is trying to argue that someone else is Doing Fanfic Wrong is you.

[ariakas]

Looking at the thread, I'm not, objectively, the only one, but since you asked: as I said earlier in it, it's myopic and kind of sad. If fiction doesn't exist to broaden our experiences and allow us to relate to others, but rather only to engage with perspectives that are already comfortable to us and points of view from which we already agree, that's, like, really fucking sad, man.

I get it, and you're not a Bad Person for it - that one other anon has explained their view very well to me - but it's still it's really fucking sad.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I feel like if that's your take on fiction (that you only want to read about characters who are just like you) then you're honestly missing the entire point of fiction in general.

[(Anonymous)]

Literally point to where any of the anons ITT have said that. I've read pretty much the whole thread (god help me), and there isn't a single comment that supports this reading.

Once more for the people in the back: Not wanting the character you are vicariously identified with, to engage with one specific topic that you find personally squicky, does not equal "I only want to read about characters that are just like me."

Hope that cleared some things up for you.

[(Anonymous)]

To add to what's already been said, not only is it sad, but it honestly also leads to worse fiction. When a majority of people need a text to keep them comfortable and reflect their own experiences and preferences back at them, then the incentive is to avoid producing fiction that steps outside of comfort zones, broadens horizons, or has anything remotely interesting to say.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000000

There's a couple people here who are being weirdly aggressive about...other people having things they don't like in fiction? The "identify" thing seems to have triggered them, but I don't fully understand how. I see a lot of comments where people seem determined to believe that "I don't want to engage with this one particular subject within the context of this fanfic about a character I feel very strongly connected to," automatically equates to, "I don't want to read about any character being different from me in any way ever."

No, no, nopity, no, nope. The leap from A to B on that is staggering, but by god, they're making it Evel Knievel style.

[(Anonymous)]

That's not what's prompting the disagreement. What's prompting the disagreement is anon's perspective on fiction more broadly.

People can certainly engage with fiction however they like. But when that engagement involved what appears to be an immature, self-centered view, then others are going to comment on it. I'm sure you wouldn't suggest that it's perfectly fine for men to reject all female main characters because they can't "relate" to them. An inability to handle characters doing or enjoying something that one does not do or enjoy themselves is a less extreme version of that exact same phenomenon.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

You have utterly fabricated "my perspective on fiction more broadly." You have made it all up in your head based on things you inferred that I never said.

But this total misapprehension of what I expressed in my comment has been clarified a number of times already by me and others, and you still insist that the huge leaps of inaccurate assumption and inference about "my perspective on fiction," so I really dont think you're in any state to be dissuaded.

It's fine. I will continue to consume all manner of fiction, from the profound and challenging to the trifling and featherweight, as I have done for decades. I will also continue to vicariously identify with my faves in their vast array of complex and multifaceted glory - from the monstrous to the saintly, from the alien to the utmost mundane - and I will continue to have a sparse few specific things I find unappealing on every level, for my own reasons, as we all do, and those things will continue to be things I dont want to see my faves associated with IN FANFICTION FOR FUCKS SAKE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FAN FICTION HERE NOT BOOKER PRIZE NOMINEES THIS IS NOT A WAR FOR THE FUTURE OF MEDIA LITERACY ITS FUCKING BLORBOS AND FANFICTION FOR FUN ON THE INTERNET AFTER A THIRTEEN HOUR DAY AT WORK JESUS CHRIST...because. You dont need to understand why. It's none of your business why. Fucking because. Because I'm here to have a good time and that particular thing is not a good time to me, so nah, pass. BECAUSE.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't toke. Never have, never will. I couldn't care less if a character does it in fic because the character isn't me and their preferences aren't mine.

In fact, I can think of one character from one of my canons who I could absolutely see toking because it's canon that he both smokes and drinks recreationally. It wouldn't be even the slightest stretch for a fic author to say that he might also light up a joint from time to time.

[(Anonymous)]

Did your mom spend your child support payments on pot and then give you a bouncy ball for your birthday? Mine did. Did you end up in the hospital after doing it because your friends thought you were having a psychotic break, but actually no, weed just breaks your brain while you scramble through the collapsing thought-pathways like a terrified creature lost in a maze? Because that was my second time. (My first time was only half as horrifying; all my friends insisted it must've been laced with something and I should try it again.)

I have repeated many times ITT: none of my experiences with weed have been positive. It is a squick for me. I don't want to vicariously experience enjoying it through a character I feel a strong emotional connection to.

I didn't think I had to trot out my trauma with weed in order for people to comprehend the basic sentiment of "Weed's a bad time for me and I can't relate to enjoying it, so when a character I'm vicariously identified with just casually lights one up, I don't enjoy that either," but apparently we're still making people prove their credentials for this shit.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry, op(?). I didnt find your intent or meaning unclear before or now. People were crazy determined to misunderstand you here for whatever reason. The asshattery was real. Peace.