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Well, fuck. I got hit with a discipline letter at work today. For being out sick with covid for 7 work days. Without expecting to be paid. I'm supposed to sign the thing tomorrow. I really don't want to. But I need this job. And given it is my first full-time job, I need the reference for any other potential job.

Just pissed right now. And frustrated. And scared. I don't even know. What did they want me to do? Come in with COVID and infect everyone and probably die because I wouldn't be able to breathe?

You should ask them this - obviously in a polite, deferential tone even though you don't feel that way. Ask them to refer to you documentation that specifies the correct procedure for employees who have tested positive for COVID, are experiencing symptoms from COVID, and who are following medical guidelines for isolating from the general population because of COVID.

FYI, these are the updated CDC guidelines for COVID:

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/p0301-respiratory-virus.html

Don't sign anything without asking to speak to HR first, and to see their specific sick out/leave/COVID policies.

I think having people come to work sick is STUPID, and if you tested positive and were feeling shite, you shouldn't be penalized.

Good luck!

It is a small firm. HR is the boss' daughter.

Did you stay out of office until your symptoms improved or did you stay out of office until your test came back negative?
I hate the way sick time is treated in America! You should be able to stay out until you’re better! But it isn’t that way unfortunately and it’s up to everyone to roll with their employer’s rules. From what you were posting at the time it sounds like you could have gone back work and according the CDC guidelines you should have. I’m guessing according to your company policy it’s the same.

Till a negative test, and I was told by the HR person I shouldn't come back without a negative test. I did end up having to leave early the day I was back because I had trouble breathing and had to go to my allergist. But I okayed that with the big boss.

So honestly I'm a bit in shock. I'm getting mixed signals.

If HR said wait for a negative test, you should go in all confused and ask about it. Don't be bullied into signing anything.

This. Hoist them by their own petard if they've already set out guidelines for dealing with COVID. "I was just following company rules" is the approach to take, along with politely inquiring of them what you should have done. Let the burden be upon them to lay out the rules and don't let them weasel out of them.

AYRT
Hard agree with anon above me! I wouldn’t sign and I’d let my natural confusion about it show. Bonus if you can prove you were told to wait until you had a negative test.

I’m so sorry you’re going through this. My original comment probably came off as super cold and that wasn’t my intention. I’m a very heart of the matter kinda person vs heart person, sorry about that.

if you want advice:

1. look in your policy handbook for the disciplinary procedure they're supposed to follow. is a discipline letter the first step? or is your manager supposed to warn you first? is there any step in the disciplinary process that they have skipped?

2. what policy are they citing for this notice? they need to be specific, try as hard as possible to not let them be vague. does your behavior actually correspond to a violation of this policy. where doesn't it? become very baffled when pointing out the discrepancies, if any.

3. what was your communication with your boss regarding your absence? did they approve it or insist you stay home? did they insist you come in? in other words what happened, in writing and in your recollection, that led up to this. does this contravene policy? if your boss and policy diverge, ask what your next steps should be in order to avoid discipline from insubordination or an absence violation.

4. whatever happens ask explicitly given the circumstances what would not be a violation of the policy/what are their procedures for a medical emergency in the office

5. if the signature is merely to acknowledge that you received the warning, it's likely there for future discipline to prove that they appropriately followed progressive discipline policies. if the signature is more than that, ask to look over it first with a trusted representative or ask to submit a written rebuttal if you disagree.

the tone you should take here is "i just want to make sure i'm doing the right thing". butter shouldn't melt in your mouth.

it's okay if you can't get them to go by the appropriate policy, or explain discrepancies in policy and action, or if you have to sign something under possibility of termination. that's fine. whatever happens, note it and put it in an email to all participants and human resources afterward (and to your personal email!). the email should be in the tone of "i just want to make sure i understand" but should be a factual record of the meeting, including if they a) refused to tell you the policy, b) refused to follow the discipline process laid out in the manual, c) refused to explain what the appropriate action should have been, etc. Then end it with what you understand to be the actions you should take in the future, and an invitation to correct you if you did not understand appropriately.

ugh, I don't blame you for being pissed

Wtf?! For my country it would be straight up illegal, but I guess land of freedom is unique this way.
Don't sign anything before talking with them. Do you have in writing you talking with them about you having COVID?

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