[ SECRET POST #6432 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6432 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's true that people who lack intent to be trolls can engage in behavior indistinguishable from trolling. I think it's also true that people are often called trolls when they lack intent to be trolls.

OP seems to be talking about people who do trollish things, get called a troll, then proclaim they necessarily aren't trolls and cannot possibly be trolling just because they 100% meant what they said, though. When it's more complicated than that and time/place/context matters.

e.g. someone posts a love and positivity thread for some fandom here, encourages people to post what they love about it, and someone goes in there and talks about how much they hate something. They might believe it and mean it and truly hate the fandom but they're trolling and no amount of claiming these are their real feelings is going to make their behavior not trolling.

[(Anonymous)]

Re: the second paragraph that's also the feeling I got.

Lots of people take "trolls are disingenuous" too directly and think it means that "trolls are outright liars" or "trolls don't REALLY mean what they say" - when the disingenuous part can be where they choose to say something, how they choose to say it, and to whom they say it instead.

Come in here blaring 'Trump 2024 fuck womens rights sips cat ladies' tears' and even if you mean it for realsies with your tiny little heart, the time and place you chose to do that is deliberate af and you knew the reaction you were looking for.

[(Anonymous)]

Inflammatory additions aside, the reason a fandom secret (or a comment) about wanting a politician to win an election is inappropriate is because that has nothing to do with fandom.

On the other hand, I routinely see people here wanting to tell everyone else that some fandom opinion they don't like, and just read, should be instantly dismissed and ignored - because 'write off everything they say, that anon's only trying to get a rise out of us' is the subtext of calling someone a troll in the first place - as a shortcut to ever actually having to show that what they believe instead has merit.

[(Anonymous)]

Some folks definitely are clueless because they weren't educated in the social sense, and don't understand that there's a time and place for everything. I don't think those people are trolls, just ignorant or inconsiderate.

A troll to me would be someone who is making inflammatory statements to be assholish and upset others. Maybe the degree to which they believe what they're saying may vary, but the goal is to upset others and not to have any resolution or understanding of the other side.

Of course, nontrolls are also human and sometimes get passionate in the heat of the moment and want to maybe "punish" the other side for their view, and maybe that leads to trollish sounding statements. But I don't think that by itself necessarily makes them a troll (because we all have the capacity to lose our tempers and/or be mean to someone else). If they were to later, say, infiltrate a comm with views they find disgusting for the sake of pissing off the group, then THAT would make them a troll. If they show up week after week *enjoying* upset reactions to the things they say, with no olive branches extended on their part, then IMO they're a troll.

[(Anonymous)]

That's exactly why people clarify by saying that's their actual opinion, when accused of trolling, anon. Because they're expressing a willingness to stand behind what they're saying and engage, instead of doing the social equivalent of dropping a rock in a pond to watch the splash it makes. The OP just apparently can't stand the idea that anyone can deny an accusation that they're trolling, on Fandom!Secrets, and thinks we should do away with that posthaste.