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[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I agree that it's very annoying for people to say that they aren't trolling because it's their actual opinion, because that doesn't exonerate you from trolling (you could still be saying the opinion because you *know* it will make people mad and start a fight). Plus, any troll can falsely claim that they are being sincere and are not being deliberately provocative (this tactic is called sealioning). It doesn't mean people have to *believe* them when they say that.

But also, I think there is a line of reasonableness (in terms of ideological positions, irresponsible misinformation, and/or tone) that, when crossed, it should not matter whether someone is "trolling" or not -- that behavior should just not be cool / not be tolerated whether it's intentionally provocative or unintentionally provocative, whether it's a sincere belief or a devil's advocate position. On F!S, it is ALSO a problem that people who don't have the right vocabulary (please, let's bring back the concept of "flaming"!) will accuse anyone who has crossed that reasonableness line of being a "troll," or just as good as one. That is not accurate either, and just leads to people muddying up the definition of troll, too! If something has reached the point of "hey, I don't care if you're a troll or not, you should know better than to post this" then I don't think flinging around the word "troll" is really the right/responsible response.

Especially since no one except the troll/inflammatory poster knows whether they are "deliberately trying to offend or get a rise out of others." Sometimes you can kind of infer from the behavior pattern (e.g. if they are choosing selectively people to respond to rather than responding to everyone who disagrees with them), but... Poe's Law is a thing. It is famously difficult to tell a sincere person from an insincere person on the internet.

So yeah, I definitely agree that "I'm not a troll, I actually do believe the inflammatory thing I just said" is a non-response that doesn't understand what trolling means. But I also think F!S needs to do a better job of distinguishing between, "This smells like a troll. Do not engage," vs. adding more fuel to the fire by saying, "This position/comment is so fucking bad/offensive, you have *got* to be a troll." That is a misunderstanding of the concept of trolling, too. The poster is not necessarily trolling -- they are being (unintentionally or not) inflammatory. That's a different thing entirely, and I feel like people use "trolling" when they mean "flaming."