[ SECRET POST #6434 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6434 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

So he can fight and all of that, just not with the suit and the shield? Why?

[philstar22]

Because he knew Steve, Steve was his best friend. He saw all the responsibility Steve took on himself. If he took up the shield, he would feel the need to live up to that, try to take on all the same responsibility. And he'd always be judging himself any time he wasn't just as good, any time he couldn't save someone. Yes, he'll do that anyway. But it would be so much worse if he became Captain America. It would make it extremely difficult for him to work through the issues he already has with self worth from the guilt of what he did as the Winter Soldier.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

I still disagree. I see where you are coming from, but no. What you outline is one scenario, but it's not the only one or even necessarily the most likely one.

Just because someone has mental health issues doesn't mean they aren't capable of doing a job or being heroic. Maybe part of Bucky's journey could be the realization that he can be Captain America on his own terms and he doesn't have to be exactly like Steve to be a hero and lead and inspire others. He could learn and grow and realize that while his past and his guilt will always be with him in some regard, he doesn't have to let them rule his present or his future. He knew, better than anyone, that Steve was willing to give second chances and believed that people could always choose to be better than they were.

[philstar22]

I can see that. I do think they could make it work, I'm just glad they didn't. This secret is weird to me, though. And honestly that only skin-crawling stuff in this regard I've seen is racist reasons for not wanting Sam to be Captain America (only from a few people, but I have seen it).

Also, I'd add that while I do think they could have written it in a way that it would have made sense for Bucky to handle it, It made total sense for Steve to give it to Sam given how protective Steve is of Bucky. Honestly I think it would have been harder to write it in a way to make Steve giving it to Bucky believable.

[(Anonymous)]

I find the implication that someone is forever morally tainted by things they were forced to do more than a little bit skeevy. I've seen that argument lots of times from Sam!Cap fans. OrI also don't like the idea that someone who has a less than pristine past is forever tainted and that no matter how hard they try, they can never be truly good person, as opposed to someone who has supposedly never made a mistake or done anything even slightly wrong ever. People can and do learn from their past actions and mistakes and become better, wiser people if they choose to. I'm not keen on a world where people can't redeem themselves.

I'm also not keen on the "Bucky is psychologically damaged" argument, because as I said above it often gets very ableist very quickly. Not everyone who has undergone a lot of trauma ends up with PTSD, and not everyone with PTSD is affected by it in the same way. Having mental problems and guilt can be crippling for some, but it isn't and doesn't have to be for everyone. It's also true that most people in the world have some kind of trauma in their past, and even people with extreme trauma can still be functional, heroic people. I think we need stories about people overcoming adversity, and not just the kinds of adversity that twitter deems important.

[(Anonymous)]

+100

[philstar22]

Oh, I totally find the people who think Bucky has moral blame for the things he did as Winter Soldier really skeevy. I just haven't seen that in the context of him being Captain America. But it may just be the places I hang out in don't go there.

[(Anonymous)]

I've seen that argument trotted out in the context of Bucky being Captain America in just about every community I go to, including this one.

[philstar22]

Okay. I haven't personally seen it, but that is pretty messed up. He was brainwashed, not his fault.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

The amount of people who don't agree with that blow my mind. Legit see people say he should be imprisoned and executed for his "crimes."

[philstar22]

That is just messed up. He had absolutely no free will. He was entirely under control. The entire more responsibility is on the people who brainwashed him.