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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2024-08-28 06:21 pm

[ SECRET POST #6445 ]


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(Anonymous) 2024-08-28 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Eh, as an ace person, all my romantic relationships with non-ace partners have had at least some measure of them negotiating with me for sex. So it's hardly an unrealistic situation. In fact, it's probably a very realistic and relatable situation and certainly one that any ace person that's dated a non-ace person has gone through.

Is it a situation I want to read about though? Not really, because characters having "relationship negotiation conversations" bore the shit out of me across the board. I feel the same about characters sitting around negotiating kinks before getting into a sexual relationship, which is a thing I sure hope kinksters in real life do, but I don't find interesting in fic.

But, that's a personal preference and should be recognized as such. Not like those conversations are somehow "missing the point." Others clearly enjoy seeing those kinds of conversations happen in their fiction, and that's ok.

(Anonymous) 2024-08-29 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
Is it a situation I want to read about though? Not really, because characters having "relationship negotiation conversations" bore the shit out of me across the board. I feel the same about characters sitting around negotiating kinks before getting into a sexual relationship, which is a thing I sure hope kinksters in real life do, but I don't find interesting in fic.

Man, that's the thing, right? Yes, in real life, all of these things are good and necessary. But in a story? It's like writing out that a character put on clothes after getting out of bed, making sure to describe how they slipped on their shirt one sleeve at a time, and shimmied into their underwear, and pulled their socks one-by-one over their feet, and... You can, and should, skip over things, and trust your reader to infer that those things happened.

Of course, the idea with things like "sex/kink/relationship/birth control negotiation" is that it's "responsible" to include those things in fic. We should normalize them, make them "sexy." All right, sure, let's do that in discussion. But in the context of fiction, aiming for "responsible" transforms a story into a sermon or an after-school special.

(Anonymous) 2024-08-29 01:52 am (UTC)(link)
Seems like we agree on that much.

OP seems to think that writing out the negotiating somehow misses the point of writing about ace characters though, which is different from "I don't personally prefer realistic, detailed negotiations in my fiction."

It's like saying having a sub character negotiate about what kind of sub they are, is missing the point of writing about a sub character. Which is just... wrong? Even if you don't personally prefer to read that. I don't prefer to read that, but writing a sub character that way still has a point.