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(Anonymous) 2024-09-02 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, fandom has felt fractured for many years now. I actually started using DW specifically because I desperately missed the LJ fandom days. So much of fandom has become focused on consuming, and the entire (gestures vaguely) harassing people for "icky" fan content. It's exhausting, and I miss when people could show up into any new fandom and just... have discussions. Make friends quickly and easily. Not burn through interests every few weeks.

(Anonymous) 2024-09-02 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree with all of this.

How have you found fandom on DW? I made an account awhile ago but I couldn't seem to find decently active communities or journals. It all seemed so easy in the LJ days and now here I am lost at sea. :(

(Anonymous) 2024-09-03 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
It was definitely easier back on LJ lol, but I've found a ton of fic writing communities that are wicked active here! There's a ton of good events and exchanges that happen pretty often, which has been very fun. Older fandoms seem to have better luck also, though some noticeable exceptions I've found - I know the MHA community on DW is pretty big, as well as the danmei communities. I hope you find your people soon!!

(Anonymous) 2024-09-03 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
Not burn through interests every few weeks.

I feel like these days a lot of people aren't actually into fandoms so much as they are the attention and validation they get from being in a popular fandom, and that's why they jump from fandom/interest to fandom/interest every few weeks like a squirrel on speed.

(Anonymous) 2024-09-03 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
I agree entirely! I think a lot of it is the validation, and I think the other half of it is the way media is set up to be consumed these days is like, inherently trying to keep you from holding onto something long term. Shows get released all at once, there's so many one off seasonal anime I couldn't count them if I tried, not to mention TikTok's entire platform. It's exhausting! I really don't know how the kids these days do it.

(Anonymous) 2024-09-03 08:20 am (UTC)(link)
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Mmhm. I could really do without the people who want fandom to be their personal vehicle to an arts career or a business, and run around trying to drum up followers.

But IMO, media has always been set up to be consumed in a way that pressures people to move on quick and implies that there's something wrong with them if they don't. Fandom just used to be full of people who were defying that expectation.

(Anonymous) 2024-09-03 07:30 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, agreed.

One thing I never understood was why LJ went through a massive wave of journals all going "friends only" at about the same time. I was there for it, but I wasn't a part of it. So I don't get what suddenly made people scared to do what they'd been doing, comfortably and happily on the internet, just the week or month before.

Does anyone here know? Because it feels like a lot of the dysfunction in fandom settled in after a basic loss of trust that was made visible by that.

(Anonymous) 2024-09-03 01:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Not sure if this is the same time, but there was a period when fandom amd LJ was getting a little more main stream and I think a few people's journals got "found" by work or family and so suddenly everyone started to lockdown their stuff.

(Anonymous) 2024-09-03 07:07 pm (UTC)(link)
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As in, a few high-profile people got outed and punished for what they were writing, and the rest of the community was frightened? That would make sense.

Just now, I used the first time I delurked and approached someone whose LJ I read in order to continue to be able to read their posts despite the f-lock (something I mostly preferred losing contact to doing) to get a rough date for when this was happening. What I'm referring to was apparently disrupting fandom in 2008. Perhaps that gives you a more specific idea of what else was going on at the time.

(Anonymous) 2024-09-03 08:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, exactly. Fandom used to be a pretty insular community that we kept separate from "real life" stuff, but then at some point it got popular and they started to blend and people were facing some irl consequences for their fan accounts (mostly because of the porny fic).

But also, I think 2008 was when it was sold to Russia? They started to make some major changes. I'm fuzzy on dates but it was around then. A lot of people started locking down or leaving LJ around then.

(Anonymous) 2024-09-04 03:16 am (UTC)(link)
The wikipedia thinks the sale to SixApart (the Russian company in question) happened in 2007, but that they only started relocating in 2009. I was on Dreamwidth during the big exodus when Denise welcomed an influx of Russian journalers, and that was in 2017, when LJ changed its TOS to conform "to Russian law" and fans expected censorship of gay content and possibly punishment for Russian users, under a law that forbids the "promotion" of homosexuality.

Tellingly, the wiki article doesn't even mention strikethrough. You have to go to fanlore to get any sense of what impact that might have been having. But apparently it somewhat-maps to the dates we're discussing - the mass deletion of blogs after a religious group threatened LJ's ad revenue was in 2007.

(Anonymous) 2024-09-02 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, me too. I went through some of the tags my DW the other day (all my LJ entries are migrated over) and it was such a reminder of how fun the LJ days were, and the great conversations that happened in journals. I miss that!

Tumblr kind of sucks. A lot.

(Anonymous) 2024-09-03 01:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I know some folks love Tumblr, but I'm also rather disappointed in it. I guess it's a little better now that it's allowing people to have conversations in the comments. But for the most part it just seems like a damn soapbox, or a place for folks to quote things wildly out of context (and not for the lulz). Of course, some folks are better about it, and I'm sure someone will say "people did that shit in LJ/DW/other platform too!!" but it just seems rampant here.

(For the record, I'm not knocking folks for whom it works, but I guess I haven't figured out how to make it work for me, in a way I feel like people give a shit about anything I'm posting. You know, so there is some engagement with other fans, and hopefully with little to no trolls.)

(Anonymous) 2024-09-03 03:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I thin tumblr is still better alternative than what most of the current fandoms use (twitter, insta, tiktok) especially due to the fact that you can show silent appreciation in tags without going for the author/artist and forcing them to communicate. Problem stems from how people forgot how to use it aka ppl who are used to the latter triumvirate cannot comprehend that tumblr is a reblog based platform.

(Anonymous) 2024-09-02 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
1. I love the design of this secret. Colors, picture, font, placing. A+

2. BIG same. And I haven't felt that sense of community in years but I still cling to fandom hoping to find it again. I think I need to realize I'm living in the past and move on, but I just can't seem to make myself do it.
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